[Assam] Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Himendra Thakur
hthakur at comcast.net
Wed Jul 5 06:24:48 EDT 2006
Dear Rajen,
I am sorry I got bogged down by something else and I apologize for the delay. I'll get back with the question, which was very enlighting for which I thank you very much, after a week or so. I hope you will not mind.
With the best wishes,
Himendra
----- Original Message -----
From: Barua25
To: Himendra Thakur
Cc: assam at assamnet.org ; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip K. Datta
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Response to an old message which is not outdated however:
When people speak, people generally speak for one of the following three reasons:
1) To inform or enlighten ( a truth)
2) To sell (an idea or thing)
3) To inspire (or to motivate one out of compassion)
When I asked you what was your point, I was asking which of the above three was your point.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Himendra Thakur
To: Barua25
Cc: assam at assamnet.org ; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip K. Datta
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Dear Barua,
My answer to your question "What is your point?" is "None" ---- I don't have any point --- I am only trying to understand your arguments and assertions.
Hinduism accepted Buddha. Hinduism accepted Charvaka. You have said that "In Hinduism iteself you will find many other self contradictions if you dig the criptures. Self contradiction is part of Hindu philosophy."
The word "self" sublimates and vanishes into "selflessness" in Hinduism. The term "self-contradiction" contradicts itself.
I hope your input will help us understand.
I am still waiting to hear your interpretation of the last five words of Nasadiya Sukta "veda yadi va na veda" where the Sukta itself was put under a question mark.
With the best wishes,
Himendra
----- Original Message -----
From: Barua25
To: Himendra Thakur
Cc: assam at assamnet.org ; Ginima Barua ; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip K. Datta
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Himenda:
I think I already explained my point clear.
Please explain your point instead of asking piecemeal question so that I can respond.
In Rik Veda, they were still asking questions regarding the origin of creation.
But what is your point?
Thanks
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Himendra Thakur
To: Barua25
Cc: assam at assamnet.org ; Ginima Barua ; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip K. Datta
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Dear Barua,
Your explanation/interpretation of Nasadiya Sukta is interesting.
I am wondering why you ignored the last five words of Nasadiya Sukta "veda yadi va na veda" where the Sukta itself was put under a question mark.
It keeps the question open: Why are are you calling "Big-Bang" a "Hindu-Christian" Theory ?
With the best wishes,
Himendra
----- Original Message -----
From: Barua25
To: Himendra Thakur
Cc: assam at assamnet.org ; Ginima Barua ; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip K. Datta
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Dear Hineda:
The Nasadiya Sukta of Rik Veda is also a creation theory which basically says that there was a beginning.
"It is a "cosmology" hymn, that seeks to explain the origin of creation. Briefly, it describes the chaos that preceded creation, when there was neither death nor immortality. From this chaos, the "One", animated by its own impulse, breathed and came into existence. (Big Bang?) From the unfathomable depths of water, from the darkness of the cosmic void, emerged this spirit, animated by desire."
If you are thinking that Big Bang theory does not confrm to the Nasadiiya Sukta, that is a non conformance of degree only and not of kind. Both the Hindu creation theory (Nasadiya Sukta) and the Big Bang theory basically says that the universe was created once uon a time.
The Buddhist theory says that these is no beginning of the universe at all.
Buddhist theory is against the Big Bang theory and the Nasadiya Sukta also. (In fact I was trying give credit to the Hindu theory that it conforms to science). It does not see any difference bewteen the Big Bang theory and the Nasadiya Sukta.
In Hinduism iteself you will find many other self contradictions if you dig the criptures. Self contradiction is part of Hindu philosophy.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Himendra Thakur
To: Barua25
Cc: assam at assamnet.org ; Ginima Barua ; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip K. Datta
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Dear Barua,
Kindly check the Nasadiya Sukta of Rik Veda. That appears to be in contradiction to what you have said about Hinduism.
With the best wishes,
Himendra
----- Original Message -----
From: Barua25
To: Himendra Thakur
Cc: Ginima Barua ; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip K. Datta ; assam at assamnet.org
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Himenda:
Specifically the Big Bang theory of the origin of our universe is a scientific theory and not a religious theory. However, I am calling it a Hindu-Christian theory simply becuse the theory of Big Bang conforms to the views of religions like Christianity, Hindusim and all other theistic religions that believe in God.
The very basic of a belief in one God is that it is God who created this universe 'once upon a time'. Although actual creation theories may be different in different religions, but the sense is the same that our universe has a beginning and this beginning was done by God 'once upon a time'.
Scientists, mostly God fearing Christians, are also trying to prove scientifically that our universe has an origin and this origin was the time when 'big bang' occurred some billions of years ago.
Buddhism does not support this view.
According to Buddhism, briefly speaking, there is no God who started this universe, and the universe does not have a beginning.
A minority scientists support this Buddhist view that our universe does not have a beginning.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Himendra Thakur
To: Barua25
Cc: Ginima Barua ; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip K. Datta ; assam at assamnet.org
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Dear Barua,
Why are are you calling "Big-Bang" a "Hindu-Christian" Theory ?
With the best wishes,
Himendra
----- Original Message -----
From: Barua25
To: umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; assam at assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Wiki: For Rajen-da: Buddha's previous births :Boddisattvas, Hindu Incarntaions etc
Umesh:
I never said Buddhist does not believe in rebirth. The theory of "Karma" and "rebirth" are parts of Buddhist philosophy. But these philosophies are somewhat different from Hindu counterparts because basically Buddhists donot believe in the (Hindu-Christian) "soul" theory, and the "God" theory. Both these concepts are illogical according to Buddhist philosophy. That makes the difference. Buddhist philosophy conform to modern science of "Quantum Physics", "Conservation of Energy" etc. The "God" theory does not. Buddhist philosophy does not believe in the Hindu-Christian "Big Bang" theory that God started this Universe by pressing a switch.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: umesh sharma
To: assam at assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: [Assam] Wiki: For Rajen-da: Buddha's previous births : Boddisattvas,Hindu Incarntaions etc
For Rajen-da,
Buddhists also believe in rebirth and have a concept of Boddhisattvas. I saw in East Asian art musems many sculptures of previosu Boddhisattvas --of Buddha. Dalai Lama is also a rebirth of the previous Dalai Lama. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_(Buddhist)
This concept is in Hindusim also. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar (u see that on Yahoo Mail front page also -you can create your own avatar.
Umesh
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