[Assam] Army help to Sattras -AT Letter

[Chan Mahanta]

At 10:15 PM -0500 9/15/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>C'da,
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>  >*** HOW does the army get involved in this you think? What process 
>would >the Army use to identify and judge if the encroachers are 
>illegal B'deshis, or >something else? The ol' lungi/lifting test?
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>The lungi-lift test may work:)
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>ID-ing illegals at such Xotras shouldn't be such a problem.  You 
>have got yourself too immersed with this "Can I see some ID?" in the 
>Ozarks:)
>No such thing there. All the CRP/Army has to do is yell: "Bangladesi ho?"
>Also, the xotriya-gurus ( make that mahantas) could help the army 
>ID-ing the illegals :):)


*** I am sure they  would. But I thought devotees of democracy rely 
on something like " Unfortunately, in a Democracy there would be due 
process ." Remember that Ram :-)?

I have no intent here to imply that you have a short memory. It just 
might not have been handy, Thus I would continue to believe that you 
do indeed have faith in due-process. And if so, what DUE PROCESS 
would the Army gods apply before they go shoot these encroachers up 
or bull-doze them out?

Never mind answering that Ram. I think I go it. They have AFSPA, 
don't they? Silly Me! I shouldn't under-estimate the wile of 
desi-demokracy or its devotees :-).


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>. Only I am not quite >sure what it is, yet . But I am working  on it :-).
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>  >B: By holding it up to prove how benevolent the army is, and how 
>bad its >critics are, you too demonstrate a certain political bent
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>I thought I spoke of both the good and the bad side of the army, and 
>also it is just a machine..
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>  > Only I am not quite >sure what it is, yet . But I am working  on it :-).
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>Heheh!, C'da - I totally apolitical (even in this country's 
>politics). I am, what one would call "baseless" and superficial. The 
>way I operate is - I just take an issue, and then decide for myself 
>which bandwagon I should hop into (usually I choose the one that 
>others have jumped off from). Don't you think thats a lot of fun? 
>But I am glad I am being at least considered:):)
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>--Ram
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>On 9/15/06, Chan Mahanta 
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>Ram:
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>  > If the government remains silent the Army should take action to 
>evict the encroachers from >the Sattras of Asom in the greater 
>interest of protecting and preserving the great ancient >heritage of 
>the Vaishnavite religion--
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>*** HOW does the army get involved in this you think? What process 
>would the Army use to identify and judge if the encroachers are 
>illegal B'deshis, or something else? The ol' lungi/lifting test?
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>I realize that some of the encroachers at least, if not all, could 
>be B'deshis. But WHAT would the process of identifying and evicting 
>them be? What TOOLS would the Army gods use in a country flying the 
>flags of a 'liberal democracy' to determine that, which is not 
>available to civilian authorities? Of course I could be guilty of 
>discounting the Army's omniscience in this matter--but you know how 
>I am :-)?
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>Bottom line:
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>A: Publishing the clueless letter demonstrates the editorial acumen 
>of the rag.
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>B: By holding it up to prove how benevolent the army is, and how bad 
>its critics are, you too demonstrate a certain political bent. Only 
>I am not quite sure what it is, yet . But I am working  on it :-).
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>At 5:17 PM -0500 9/15/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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>>Well, well, C'da,
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>I was just pointing out the surprise that someone (like this letter 
>writer to the AT) was being grateful to no less the army. That too 
>in Assam - where the army dosen't seem to have a good image.
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>  >Do you see this as some "good-stuff", gift of a benevolent army :-)?
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>You are reading between the lines?
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>Well, I just don't think this stuff as good or bad. The army does 
>what its commanders/netas tell it to do - that is its function. It 
>is doing what it is supposed to do. In this case, I think it is a 
>welcome change. The army also does similar things like helping or 
>saving people caught in floods - many a time in Assam.
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>I am also aware that that it can go berserk for no apparent reason - 
>and innocent people get killed - we are all aware of that - time and 
>again.
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>Do we have to be grateful - no, not at all
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>But it would be nice to at least acknowledge that sometimes the army 
>does is beneficial, just like we feel it is right to condemn it when 
>it does bad things - a sense of even-handedness, if you will.
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>  >Where is the vaunted desi-demokrasy to protect the 
>landholdings >of xotriya-gurus ( make that mahantas), obviously 
>something they >got from the gods as divine gifts?
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>One would think, that is why the army was called in. Don't you think?
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>I know C'da - sometimes its hard to swallow a story like this and 
>when that happens, we often look for some hidden agenda or look into 
>the recesses for cracks in the country's democracy. :) :)
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>Some view the army as an evil force, while others know it is just a 
>machinery in the hands of netas either in Delhi or the Kharkhowas in 
>the GOA.
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>--Ram
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><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>Hi Ram:
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>Do you see this as some "good-stuff", gift of a benevolent army :-)?
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>What appals me is the desi-blather about that 'liberal democracy' in 
>India, spouting from newspaper editorials, supposedly political 
>scientists' ( make that voo-doo political scientist) columns, 
>'screwity' ( you heard it hear first :-)) analysts and the like, not 
>to mention clueless luminaries of the kharkhowa establishment and at 
>the same time imploring the 'army' to preserve heir properties from 
>B'deshi immigrants.
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>Well, is there a rule of law in this Indian colony or not? Where is 
>the vaunted desi-demokrasy to protect the landholdings of 
>xotriya-gurus ( make that mahantas), obviously something they got 
>from the gods as divine gifts?
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>That brings me to another question: Is the revenue-free landholdings 
>off of which the Xotradhikars and their families lived, some quite 
>well ( others barely), as a reward for, no doubt, looking after 
>their 'xisyos'( disciples') spiritual redemption ( heh-heh:-)), 
>regardless of the performance on their duties; still a divine right 
>required to be upheld and safeguarded by the state, more than say an 
>ordinary mortals' property rights? And if the mere-mortals do not 
>have any such privilege, cannot invoke the army-gods' protection, 
>how do the xottros do, in this dysfunctional desi-sorkar?
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>You got any ideas Ram :-)?
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>At 2:12 PM -0500 9/15/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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>>The army helping Sattras? This is one news I didn't expect, given 
>>the often bad stuff we keep hearing about it.
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>Maybe times are a changin.
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>Army help to Sattras
>  Sir,- The recent appeal of the Asom Sattra Mahasabha to the Army to 
>remove the encroachers from the Sattras of Asom is quite timely and 
>as such a rightful step. It is unfortunate that sites of the Sattras 
>being the sacred centres of Vaishnavite religion and culture have 
>now been occupied illegally by some people.
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>The Kobaikata Sattra in Nagaon and the Patekibori Sattra in Morigaon 
>district are almost occupied and surrounded by doubtful foreigners 
>but the government has been the passive on-looker without any step 
>to evict the encroachers. If the government remains silent the Army 
>should take action to evict the encroachers from the Sattras of Asom 
>in the greater interest of protecting and preserving the great 
>ancient heritage of the Vaishnavite religion propounded by 
>Mahapurush Sri Sri Sankardeva and Madhabdeva. - Yours etc., MD. 
>IDRISH ALI, Baligaon, Morigaon.
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