[Assam] Fwd: RE: A Request for Analysis

Sun Apr 1 16:30:51 EDT 2007

O'Ram:

Ei Tilok-daktortw-w burha hoi 'hardened'  hoise buisa. That must be the reason.
Didn't you notice he was even giving his senior jokaisukia mentor, 
me, advice on what I should say and how? He is getting too big for 
his pants I think. I will be sure to tell him though.

Anyway, as I read his diagnosis, he was not taking issue with your 
political view. I think he portrayed you as a straight shooter, 
unlike those who were saying something in the guise of something else.

I am no expert on linguistics or on the definition of 'intermediary'. 
But it seems to me that an intermediary or a go-between is someone 
who has the ear of both parties in a transaction or a dispute. It 
does not require one to be NEUTRAL , having no interest one way or 
the other. If it did, I cannot imagine how MRG would even be 
interested in being involved. She volunteered because she had the ear 
of the powers-that-be in  Dilli as well as in the ranks of ULFA 
leadership. She did not claim she is NOT passionate or even mildly 
caring about one side or the other's positions. She always owned up 
to her passion for doing right by Assam. And if she believed the 
Center had been doing right by Assam's interests, she would not have 
suggested it ought to talk to ULFA.

Therefore your interpretation of an intermediary's role is an 
unrealistic one, thus your dispute is over semantics.

Furthermore, I remember MRG being sharply critical of the Bihari 
killings. So your charge that she condemns only Govt. misdeeds is 
inaccurate. At any event, one would expect to hold a Govt. sporting 
the halo of legitimacy, to a higher standard -- as you yourself say 
here.

>This is where Tilok goes off on a tangent. I am not distraught by 
>MRGs efforts whether they are partisan or not. If she is - she is. 
>There is NO problem with that.

*** Then why the angst over terminology? Who are we kidding :-)?

>BUT if she is, then obviously she biased, so why pretend and show 
>her in >different light.

*** I was NOT the one to invent or design the terminology about MRG's 
role. I was referring to what the MP was CHARGING her ilk with and 
what its punishment--to send the likes of her behind bars -- ought to 
be. I did not have the text of what MRG's crime was as far as the MP 
was concerned. I referred to what her role is widely characterized as 
--an intermediary. But you disagreed and suggested she WAS an ULFA 
spokesperson. That is your choice. I did not dispute it either. I 
merely asked if she continues to be one. But you did not tell us if 
she continues to be , or if she resigned or if she was fired :-).

Regardless, the point I think Tilok was trying to make was that your 
implied criticism of MRG's role gave Himendra Thakur the idea that he 
could use it to
paint a picture of me fabricating a rumor in order to make MRG a 
target of criticism by Indian partisans.

That is why HT put up the smoke-screen of me attempting to hurt MRG's 
interests by publicizing what has been going on in Assam regarding 
the matter, in order to justify his personal attack on myself.

*** Finally I was going to ask this question of Tilok: If his 
analysis is correct, how does he explain HT's attack on me, but not 
you in spite of your implied criticism of her bias against Indian 
interests over Assam?  But I figured that out all by myself -- I 
think.  That must have been because his self appointed role of MRG's 
defender was merely a ruse for attacking me, and had little to do 
with his paternalistic protectiveness over MRG's political honor.

What do you think? Am I encroaching Shrinkology territory without a 
license to practice?

c-da :-)

At 1:22 PM -0600 4/1/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>  >Simple! You saw how Ram-kai  re-configured MRG
>>in the image of  an ULFA spokesperson when you
>>mentioned her as a go-between or intermediary,
>>didn' t you?
>
>C'da
>Thank you for forwarding Tilok's analysis.
>
>Poor Tilok - I think he is fast losing his gentle touch (that we 
>used to admire so much). I 'recommend' (like Kirip C)  that Tilok go 
>take a refresher course in Shrinkology. But its not just the touch, 
>its the analysis - its just way off.
>
>About MRG, (we talke about her a few years ago too). My stance hasn't changed.
>MRG, obviously is a great, literary person, won the highest award of 
>the land, wel-respected etc. That is wonderful, and everyone of us 
>respect and admire for that talent.
>
>Now, about whether she is actually an intermediary or a spokesperson 
>for ULFA is not open to debate so much today. In the early days, we 
>were all excited as we thought here was someone who could help solve 
>the problem and "mediate".
>
>She looked more like representing ULFA's views an bringing those to 
>the table. So what does one call a person who does that?
>No, it is NOT wrong for someone to do that - but it is wrong to 
>portray her as an intermediary when she wasn't acting as one.
>
>There have been instances when MRG was a day late and dollar short 
>when condemning ULFA attrocities, but really yelling blue murder 
>(and demanding justice) when the Army goes haywire.
>
>IMHO, a true go-between would exercise a great degree of 
>nonbiasness. She would have been expected to condemn both 
>attrocities in equal measure.
>
>  >Sri Humiliated, like Ram-kai, is extremely distraught by 
>MRG's >efforts which they perceive as ULFA-partisan-like. Ram Kai 
>can't
>>care less about saying it like he sees it.
>
>This is where Tilok goes off on a tangent. I am not distraught by 
>MRGs efforts whether they are partisan or not. If she is - she is. 
>There is NO problem with that.
>BUT if she is, then obviously she biased, so why pretend and show 
>her in different light.
>
>And I thought I was saying it like it is: She is NOT an intermediary 
>as her friends would have us believe.
>And I also said (and feel strongly too) that despite this, no one 
>has the right to recommend prison for her role. You can't shut 
>people up because they may hold opinions that differ.
>The GOI, and its representatives have the duty to uphold a higher 
>moral and ethical code.
>
>For all her ULFA biases, she has rendered a huge public service. It 
>is difficult to get people to do that, and at least for that we 
>ought to be thankful. But let us say NOT say with straight face that 
>she is unbiased.
>
>
>
>
>On 4/1/07, Chan Mahanta 
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>
>  >X-Originating-IP: [<http://24.217.226.195>24.217.226.195]
>>X-Originating-Email: [<mailto:tilok75 at hotmail.com> tilok75 at hotmail.com]
>>From: "Tilok Hatimuria" <<mailto:tilok75 at hotmail.com>tilok75 at hotmail.com>
>>To: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
>>Cc: <mailto:tilok75 at hotmail.com> tilok75 at hotmail.com
>>Bcc:
>>Subject: RE: A Request for Analysis
>>Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:56:55 +0000
>>
>>O' So-kai:
>>
>>Moi gom pai aasw ki hoise.
>>
>>But we should not say things like 'losing one's
>>marbles' or , 'not-dhila hwa' , or 'seraa-boliya
>>hwa' etc. These phrases aggravate the condition
>>of the victim and are liable to make them worse.
>>When that happens we all lose. We as mental
>>health professionals don't use these euphamisms
>>any more.
>>
>>This is what is going on:
>>
>>Some people do not know how to deal with being
>>told they are wrong about something. It is a
>>condition widely prevalent amongst third-world
>>immigrants who, rightly or wrongly, with reason
>>or without, are used to being treated with
>>reverence or deference; particularly when they
>>return to their native lands carrying with them
>>an aura of achievements or wearing a halo of
>>holiness. If such pointing out of being fallible
>>happens publicly,  they take that as a deeply
>>insulting humiliation. Those who do have a sense
>>of humility, and know that they could be wrong
>>about some things while being right about many,
>>are , mercifully immune to the condition. But
>>such immunity is not widespread. Now those who
>>suffer from such public humiliation, real or
>>imagined, often do a slow burn; looking for
>>opportunities for pay-back. Not that it works.
>>Such pay-back, even if possible, produces only a
>  >temporary relief; like Preparation H does for
>>you-know-what where thje sun-don't shine?
>>
>>Anyway, this need for payback, depending upon
>>the degree of intensity, would drive the
>>afflicted to find ways, excuses,  for attacks.
>>Sometimes they go entirely overboard on the
>>slightest of pretexts resulting in what you, in
>>your amateurish words  described as blowing up
>>on one's face ( another fighting-phrase we don't
>>use).
>>
>>This is what happened here. Sri Humiliated
>>jumped, obviously very prematurely, on what he
>>thought was an opportunity to teach you a
>>lesson, unfortunately aided and abeted by his
>>'sources' back home, who were oblivious of what
>>was going on. Sri Humiliated, farther poorly
>>served by his own feelings of infallibility,
>>assumed, very wrongly, that since his 'sources'
>>had not heard of what was brewing to be a major
>>news item, must indeed be something you
>>fabricated. So being driven by that indomitable
>>drive for pay-back, he attacked with a vengeance
>>and charged you with fabricating what he thought
>>was a bald-faced rumor.
>>
>>Good for you did not make it up. For if you had,
>>he would have gotten you by your
>>you-know-what's.  Now that the matter has hit
>>the fan and is all over the place; Sri
>>Humiliated all of a sudden finds himself in an
>>even worse position.
>
>
>
>>  A person with an ordinary amount of humility,
>>by now, would have admitted that he made a
>>mistake. He could have blamed it on his
>>'sources' like George Bush did to the CIA, and
>>walked out. People would have forgotten about it.
>>
>>But nooo! Sri Humiliated's infallibility
>>complex, once again, came back to hurt him.
>>Instead of quitting, he continues to put out
>>feeble, laughable excuses and demands. That
>>unfortunately defines the condition of such
>>individuals. We , as responsible members of
>>society  have no recourse but to treat them with
>>a little compassion and not drive them to that
>>proverbial point of no return.
>>
>>Why does Sri Humiliated continue to assert your
>>'fabrication' was designed to 'hurt Mamoni'?
>>Does he not know that you are a vocal supporter
>>of her efforts to forge a negotiated peace in
>>Assam?
>>
>>This is even more complex. People like Shri
>>Humiliated are no ordinary, simple people. If
>>they were they wouldn't find themselves in the
>>condition they face to begin with. He needed an
>>excuse to get on your case. So he dressed up as
>>a Mamoni Defender and charged you with an
>>attempt to hurt her.
>>
>>How?
>>
>>Simple! You saw how Ram-kai  re-configured MRG
>>in the image of  an ULFA spokesperson when you
>>mentioned her as a go-between or intermediary,
>>didn' t you? Sri Humiliated, like Ram-kai, is
>>extremely distraught by MRG's efforts which they
>>perceive as ULFA-partisan-like. Ram Kai can't
>>care less about saying it like he sees it. But
>>Sri Humiliated likes to fancy himself as a
>>kindred soul of MRGs, a fellow scholar of Hindu
>>scriptures  and a fatherly protector of her
>>political reputation, which he does not want
>>sullied by what he perceives as an association
>>with ULFA or  them Assam independence seekers.
>
>
>
>>
>>But does MRG care?
>
>
>>That is immaterial. What is material is what Sri
>>Humiliated fancies himself as.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Thus his  die-hard adhereance to the assertion
>>that you circulated what he saw as a rumor then,
>>even though it is obviously a fact now, just to
>>paint MRG as sympathetic to Assam sovereignty
>>aspirations and/or ULFA-partisan-like; as Sri
>>Kirip-kaiti  did. That in Sri Humiliated's book
>>is nothing less than sacrilegious, if not
>>treasonous, to his India-centric and
>>Hinduttwa-baadi predilections. No wonder then,
>>he is forced, no doubt with great pain, to
>>accept  Kirip-kai's laughably lame excuses and
>>denials. Something, under other
>>circumstanceswould have attacked, with or
>>without basis, due to Kirip-kai's Congressi
>>affiliations.
>>
>>Such are the conditions of the afflicted living
>>with that slow-burning need for pay-back,
>>revenge! They would go to sleep with the enemy
>>to exact their pound of flesh!
>
>
>
>>
>>I hope that 'splains things for you So-kai. Let
>>me know if you need anything else. I would love
>  >to help Sri Humiliated, but I am not licensed to
>>practice in Ma, only in Mo. But I can refer him
>>to some good menta-health professionals in
>>Boston, should he seek it. The place is crawling
>>with shrinkologists.
>>
>>Take care and good wishes from the freshly
>>greening heights of the High Ozarks at Dog Patch.
>
>
>
>>Xewa lobo.
>>
>>Iti
>>
>>Tilok.
>>
>>(Dr.Tilok Hatimuria, FLAS), DogPatch, High Ozarks, USA
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Chan Mahanta < <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>To: <mailto:tilok75 at hotmail.com>tilok75 at hotmail.com
>>>CC: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>>Subject: A Request for Analysis
>>>Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:22:06 -0500
>>>
>>>O' Tilok:
>>>
>>>Bhalne'? Moi aasw aaru nomori-jiyai. Dekhisai
>>>nohoy huzoor mohaxoye omukak 'rumor-monger'
>>>xaaji, raizor aagot dwxarwp kori, mwr-pa
>>>koifiyot bisarisee!
>>>
>>>Can you tell us what is going on here?
>>>
>>>Looks to me like a psychiatric case. Why do you think this self-appointed
>>>Ombudsman of Assamnet  keeps asserting that I fabricated the 
>>>'rumor' to 'hurt
>>>Mamoni'? Do you think he lost his marbles? Or
>>>is there something deeper we are missing?
>>>
>>>Morom loba.
>>>
>>>Iti
>>>
>>>Twmar So-kai
>>>
>>>
>>
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