[Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Fri Jun 1 09:52:46 EDT 2007
At 4:43 PM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
>That is why I asked about Hurricane Katrina where the black
>community was subjected to continual harrasment and their social
>griveiances never redressed. The black-white within the larger issue
>of racism continues to linger on.
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>Now are we comparing apples with apples??
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>Tell us what your US of A did in this case and how it solved a 200
>year old problem.
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>Rgds,
>SD
*** Yes, we ARE indeed comparing apples and oranges. Racial bias
issues today in the USA do not end up in riots and the
military/police shooting down rioters. These are now settled thru
law making and in courts, civil as well as criminal.
But the problem is not gone. Perhaps we should encourage the USA to
apply thousands of years old Hindu doctrines from India to better
accomplish the task of racism, prejudice and discrimination :-)?
Compare that to Indian/army police shooting down their fellow men, by
the dozens, routinely, almost every month, by their govts. advertised
as DEMOCRATIC. So much so that the populace has resigned to the idea
that mass grievances of minority groups will never be addressed until
they resort to violence. The only language desi-demokrasy understands
and pays heed to is that of violence and bloodshed.
Every society has problems. Functioning DEMOCRACIES have devised ways
to resolve such conflicts peacefully and equitably, thru a political
process and thru the courts., instead of REFUSING to recognize such
discord in society or grievances of the numerical minorities, until
violence breaks out.
That has been the recurring story of what is packaged as democracy
in India to wave to the world.
From these posts it is abundantly clear to anyone paying attention,
that a significant section of the Indian intelligentsia's concerns
(be it from India or be it from abroad) for other human beings, even
of their own, is limited to shedding crocodile tears, when it is
convenient to do so.
Finally, I have one question:
EVEN if the USA is just as bad or worse than India's human
rights record or in its inability to
resolve societal conflicts, does it JUSTIFY or NEUTRALIZE
India's record or ERADICATE its
own dysfunction?
cm
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>To: Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>; SANDIP DUTTA <pseude at yahoo.com>
>Cc: umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu; Chan Mahanta
><cmahanta at charter.net>; assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 12:54:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
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>> >In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to
>>expand on, I am sure).
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>*** Yes, but we are comparing apples and oranges.
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> >Elian Gonzalez
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>** It was case of enforcement of a court order. No one was killed if
>I am not mistaken.
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> >Ruby Ridge
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>*** It was a case of criminal kidnapping.
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> >David Koresh
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>*** Again a criminal case of confinement and refusal to submit to a
>court order, leading to a police/paramiltary raid, to defy which the
>inmates of the commune committed mass suicide.
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>None of these were anything akin to political /social disaffections
>, ignored by authorities, leading to demonstrations that turned into
>rioting terminated by military /police firing against their OWN
>PEOPLE.
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>At 8:29 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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>>Just to butt in here a bit.
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>>In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to
>>expand on, I am sure).
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>>Elian Gonzalez
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>>Ruby Ridge
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>>David Koresh
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>>In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces -
>>people got killed
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>>On 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA <<mailto:pseude at yahoo.com>pseude at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A
>>- say like if some African Americans were to protest again over
>>Hurricane Katrina? Maybe we should learn and implement similar
>>policies here.
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>>Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?.......or there's
>>political settlement?
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>>Rgds,
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>>Sandip
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>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: umesh sharma <<mailto:jaipurschool at yahoo.com> jaipurschool at yahoo.com>
>>To: SANDIP DUTTA <<mailto:pseude at yahoo.com>pseude at yahoo.com>; Chan
>>Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net> cmahanta at charter.net>;
>><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:56:42 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
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>><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar
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>>it confirms my opinion that Gujjars are not that backward -- in
>>comparison to the tribes /castes who are in SC ST category --
>>nobody oppresses them - but they are maig this demand after upper
>>caste have got 10% reservation in Rajasthan and Jats -another
>>dominant warrior caste (rules Alwar and Haryana) has been included
>>in OBC category by former Congress govt. of Rajasthan
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>>Umesh
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>>SANDIP DUTTA <<mailto:pseude at yahoo.com>pseude at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>"Think deeper" - he he!
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>>How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in
>>Rajasthan? - before you read the BBC report?
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>>And you already decided it was a legitimate demand?
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>>BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.
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>>Rgds,
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>>Sandip
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>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>To: SANDIP DUTTA <<mailto:pseude at yahoo.com>pseude at yahoo.com>;
>>Chandan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>cmahanta at charter.net>; <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
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>>Sandip:
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>>You need to to think a little DEEPER!
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>>WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people
>>wake up one fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull, let
>>us go burn some buses today and cut-off policemen's limbs?
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>>Think about it and come back with your questions again.
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>>At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
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>>>Hello Sondon Da,
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>>As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law &
>>order and prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job.
>>Army is called in only when situation gets out of control. Same
>>approach is applied everywhere. Local Admin calls in the army. In
>>this case, Rajasthan police had no experience handling anything of
>>this kind in the last many decades.
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>>May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence
>>as a form of protest and then try justifying it - in the
>>worlds greatest demokrasy - your home, the United EStates of
>>Amrika? I mean people who damage govt. property, possibly kill and
>>maim others and try to undermine state authority?
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>>Rgds,
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>>SD
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>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Chandan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net >
>>To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
>>Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
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>>Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
>>should see it.
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>>** Message **
>>This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program,
>>which has not changed in sixty years after freedom.
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>>** Army deployed after India riots **
>>Troops are deployed in India's Rajasthan state after 14 people are
>>killed in clashes over government job quotas.
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>><http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6703133.stm>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6703133.stm >
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