[Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots

Fri Jun 1 09:55:01 EDT 2007

>The right to bandhs, hartals, strikes are possible in India because 
>its a democracy and they happen >because there is NOT enough to go 
>around. It does  not happen in the US because most of the 
>most >common things have already been met.

*** That is about the most convoluted explanation of democracy and 
egregious spin on India's behavior I have heard  so far Ram.

At 10:34 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>Oh! I forgot, C'da
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>LA riots (after the OJ Simpson thing), NY Black  out . maybe I am 
>forgetting a few.
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>But you are right, the US has far fewer of such riots than India or 
>most of the up & coming economies do.  And that can be attributed, 
>in general, to the limited resources, and too many people these 
>countries have.
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>If some of the countries have democracies, there are demonstrations, 
>protests etc - which often go haywire. If they are NOT democratic 
>then they can be quelled swiftly.
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>The right to bandhs, hartals, strikes are possible in India because 
>its a democracy and they happen because there is NOT enough to go 
>around. It does  not happen in the US because most of the most 
>common things have already been met.
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>--Ram
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>On 5/31/07, Chan Mahanta 
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>>  >In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to 
>>expand on, I am sure).
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>*** Yes, but we are comparing apples and oranges.
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>  >David Koresh
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>court order, leading to a police/paramiltary raid, to defy which the 
>inmates of the commune committed mass suicide.
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>None of these were anything akin to political /social disaffections 
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>rioting terminated by military /police firing against their OWN 
>PEOPLE.
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>At 8:29 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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>>Just to butt in here a bit.
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>In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to 
>expand on, I am sure).
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>Elian Gonzalez
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>Ruby Ridge
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>David Koresh
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>In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces - 
>people got killed
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>On 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA <<mailto:pseude at yahoo.com>pseude at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A 
>- say like if some African Americans were to protest again over 
>Hurricane Katrina? Maybe we should learn and implement similar 
>policies here.
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>Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?.......or there's 
>political settlement?
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>Rgds,
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>Sandip
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: umesh sharma <<mailto:jaipurschool at yahoo.com> jaipurschool at yahoo.com>
>To: SANDIP DUTTA < <mailto:pseude at yahoo.com>pseude at yahoo.com>; Chan 
>Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net> cmahanta at charter.net>; 
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:56:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
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><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar
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>it confirms my opinion that Gujjars are not that backward -- in 
>comparison to the tribes /castes who are in SC ST category -- nobody 
>oppresses them - but they are maig this demand after upper caste 
>have got 10% reservation in Rajasthan and Jats -another dominant 
>warrior caste (rules Alwar and Haryana) has been included in OBC 
>category by former Congress govt. of Rajasthan
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>Umesh
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>SANDIP DUTTA <<mailto:pseude at yahoo.com>pseude at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>"Think deeper" - he he!
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>How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in 
>Rajasthan? - before you read the BBC report?
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>And you already decided it was a legitimate demand?
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>BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.
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>Rgds,
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>Sandip
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net> cmahanta at charter.net>
>To: SANDIP DUTTA < <mailto:pseude at yahoo.com>pseude at yahoo.com>; 
>Chandan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net> 
>cmahanta at charter.net>; <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
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>Sandip:
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>You need to to think a little DEEPER!
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>WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people 
>wake up one fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull,  let 
>us go burn some buses today and  cut-off policemen's limbs?
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>Think about it and come back with your questions again.
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>At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
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>>Hello Sondon Da,
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>As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law & 
>order and prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army 
>is called in only when situation gets out of control. Same approach 
>is applied everywhere. Local Admin calls in the army. In this case, 
>Rajasthan police had no experience handling anything of this kind in 
>the last many decades.
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>May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence 
>as a form of protest and then try justifying it - in the 
>worlds greatest demokrasy - your home, the United EStates of Amrika? 
>I mean people who damage govt. property, possibly kill and maim 
>others and try to undermine state authority?
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>Rgds,
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>SD
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: Chandan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net >
>To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org> assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
>Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
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>Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
>should see it.
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>** Message **
>This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, 
>which has not changed in sixty years after freedom.
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>** Army deployed after India riots **
>Troops are deployed in India's Rajasthan state after 14 people are 
>killed in clashes over government job quotas.
>< <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6703133.stm> 
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6703133.stm >
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