[Assam] 'Second Tier' Proponents-show your Cards!

Sat Mar 3 22:04:22 EST 2007

On 3/4/07, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>  >Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this "Mai-Baap"
> accusation >frequently in the net. If two parents have twenty children,
> fifteen grow up to >be useful citizens and five do not, whom do you blame?
> The children or the >parents?
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> **** Assam's intelligentsia's inadequacy, like the inadequacies of entire
> Indian intelligentsia is a RESULT of a 'mai-baap' Central Govt's colonial
> accumulation of all important powers of state, with the intent of taking
> care of all those 'children', like the loving parents they are, NEVER
> letting the children LEARN to take care of themselves; because they are so
> 'incapable' *(It is also a fact that when the children get out of hand, a
> firm hand is required. Maybe thats what is happening because as far as I
> know hundreds of Crores, if not thousands come into Assam but it either
> remains unutilized or gets utilized [gets divided I mean]).*
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> The analogy  of the fifteen growing up to be useful citizen with five
> becoming losers -- obviously because of their OWN DAMN fault as implied, is
> exactly the same kind of screwed-up logic, born out of a belief fostered by
> that same Indian mindset, that success and achievements are in the genes, so
> often expressed in this forum* (The fifteen useful also have a duty
> towards their loser siblings. It is their duty to correct the losers and
> show them light and not run away)*.
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> What would the progeny of a class of people whose secure lifestyles were
> guaranteed by the state for producing virtually nothing, know about
> enterprise, risk-taking, self-government or working together for the common
> good? They would not want the inexperienced, the youth, or the unknown take
> charge of things. What do they know about running things?*(Exactly the
> point. The select group of people who want independence are from an era
> which is unknown to most of the youth of TODAY, their problems do not date
> back 27 years, they are struggling for a place under the SUN, they want to
> prove that they can do something. Now this group of people does not want the
> inexperienced youth of TODAY to take charge. What do they [the select
> group] know about running things. They have been losing for the last so many
> years without bringing any Wind of Change in Assam. Have these supporters of
> independence ever run an organisation like ULFA whose most cadres [who die
> in hands of the INDIAN ARMY or MALARIA in BHUTAN or MYANMAR] are the
> inexperienced youth)*
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> A classic example of that played out when such ELDERS challenged and
> denied a group of San Francisco based Kharkhowa youth, right here in St.
> Louis, who wanted to hold an Assamese Get-together. Their offer was of
> course rejected, on grounds of inexperience. And the result? They bolted
> from our little kharkhowa xomaaj. *(It had to happen, guess who is among
> the so called ELDERS of St. Luis)*
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> Sorry, but had to say it like it is :-). No better way to illustrate a
> point than putting forth real life examples. *(Hope you will continue this
> trend. As they say, I'm Loving It)*
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> At 1:05 PM -0800 3/3/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
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> People who detest living as parasites-- better re educate
> yourselves--fast.To become Useful to all.
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> Who are these parasites? Politicians in Assam? Businessmen? IAS officers?
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> Ulfa Leaders will have to be supported by each  one in Assam.
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> ULFA leaders are leaders for ULFA. Who says ULFA represents Assam? Why
> should "each one in Assam" support them?
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> Pol Pot was not a bad man. In fact one of the best humanistic,  peoples'*Brother.
> * His 2nd/3rd/4th BROTHERS are80+ today-totally unrepentant-and boldly
> blames US policy in Indo-China that led them to resort to what they had to.
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> I can't believe someone eulogizes Pol Pot. Where are the eulogies for
> Hitler and Stalin?
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> "Shock and awe "- is an essential preamble for a * future*
> hard-at-work-for-humanity NATION.
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> Now I know how you are daydreaming.
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> Last 60 years wein Assam have had no challenge, no responsibility, no
> demand on us to prove our capabilities.India's* Leadership * have not had
> a clue where/how to start undoing all their failures--even today!
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> Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this "Mai-Baap"
> accusation frequently in the net. If two parents have twenty children,
> fifteen grow up to be useful citizens and five do not, whom do you blame?
> The children or the parents?
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> We were :
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> taken for granted,rightfully to be robbed,as low grade, sub human,"Not
> having proven track records"
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> Just like  most of 1st world takes India to be.
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> Just As 'Hanhor woporot xiyal roza'
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>  Nation with a shame or a conscience would have not grovelled to hang on
> to us for 27 yrs.
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> There is a large section of population in Assam that does not want to
> secede. So "grovelling to hang on" is not an applicable accusation.
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> From:* Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>*
> To:* "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <absarangapani at hotmail.com>,
> barua25 at hotmail.com, Rajen.Barua at amec.com, assam at assamnet.org,
> cmahanta at charter.net*
> Subject:* Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents*
> Date:* Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:25:14 -0600*
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> You need to get your thinking cap back from wherever you left it behind
> Alpana:-).
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> Let us say tomorrow ULFA got sovereignty for Assam. Can ULFA govern Assam
> all by itself?
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> Or let us assume that you bright democracy devotees figured out with your
> steel-trap minded analyses that -- this is it: ULFA is in charge, it will
> use its AK 47s to vote itself into power and Dilip's vision of Pol Pot
> brought to rule over Assam.
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> How long do you think it could last?
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> By making these kind of arguments do you think you look make yourselves
> look like smart people ? You have a whole lot more imagination than you make
> yourselves appear to be. Make use of it :-). Others look at you as Assam's
> best. Don't let them down.
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> At 8:58 AM -0600 3/3/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
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> Or, what to do if it is attained. Will there be an election or is it going
> to be a monarchy again? well, what's the difference? It could be like - you
> vote for me, or else....
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> From:* "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>*
> To:* "Barua, Rajen" <Rajen.Barua at amec.com>, <assam at assamnet.org>,"Chan
> Mahanta" <cmahanta at charter.net>*
> Subject:* Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents*
> Date:* Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:42:54 -0600*
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> You need  SECOND TIER plan, only if you don't have 'how to achieve' the
> FIRST TIER plan. Is that the case here? We have not seen any plan from you,
> how to achieve 'SOVERIGNTY' yet.
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> Rajen
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> *From:* Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
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> *To:* Barua, Rajen <Rajen.Barua at amec.com> ; assam at assamnet.org
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> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 9:30 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
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> I was merely responding to the SECOND TIER ideas :-)./
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> But don't be bashful. If you have some answers or help for the second
> tier, do propose. That will be contributing something useful.
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> At 9:50 AM -0500 3/2/07, Barua, Rajen wrote:
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> >*** Why do you want autonomy Rajen?
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> Did I say that? Please try to stick to your main point instead of opening
> new frontiers of argument with no goal. I have given my views Sovereignty
> issue  I have not seen you moving a single inch from there yet.
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> Rajen
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> *From:* assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org]* On
> Behalf Of* Chan Mahanta
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 8:33 AM
> *To:* assam at assamnet.org
> *Subject:* [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
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> I am re-posting a page from assamnet debates from Dec 13, 2004, where this
> 'second tier' thing was proposed by some of our esteemed and 'pragmatic'
> friends.
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> So I asked the  highlighted question. But no answer ever came. It was like
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> a 24000 volt live-wire--not to be touched. WHY? Because that would lead to
> examining the issues that gave rise to the insurgency, something our
> ever-so-righteous friends are unwilling to get near of.
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> But perhaps those like Chitta, Nayan etc. will. We will see.
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> >Only hope is if we can, in the prsent process, make ULFA overground to
> work for an Autonomous >Assam with the support of the Assamese people.
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> *** Why do you want autonomy Rajen?
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> What is the matter with what is operating?
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> *What will you do with autonomy? What would your recommendations be to the
> people of Assam as to what they can or should do with autonomy? And how much
> autonomy? What should this autonomy give Assam that it does not have now?*
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