[Assam] 'Second Tier' Proponents-show your Cards!
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Sat Mar 3 23:51:30 EST 2007
>It is also a fact that when the children get out of hand, a firm
>hand >is required. Maybe thats what is happening because as far as I
>know >hundreds of Crores, if not thousands come into Assam but it
>either >remains unutilized or gets utilized [gets divided I mean]).
*** What are the tools with which the people can deal with that? Can
you, as a lawyer practising in the High Court enlighten us on that?
Go ahead, give a step by step instruction. Tell us WHAT institutions
of the Indian state the people can rely on to hold those responsible
accountable.
Do you know what is going on in regards to the twenty crores plus
spent on the incomplete Kolakhettro Conference Center? Did you know
that those in charge, reared and nurtured in the great traditrions of
desi-demokrasy allowed incompetent engineers from outside Assam to
design thirty meters deep piers to hold up a tin roof, and that the
main conference center built with its floor below adjacent grade, and
then constructed an elaborate network of open trenches to prevent
flooding? Who is asleep at the wheel? And WHY is it so? WHY is not
Assam's intelligentsia, people like you, taking it lying down? What
is YOUR excuse? Did ULFA prevent the intelligentsia from taking
action?
>(The fifteen useful also have a duty towards their loser siblings.
>It >is their duty to correct the losers and show them light and not
>run >away).
*** That is far too idealistic. Would be nice, but cannot be
demanded. But it is the responsibility of the parents to allow their
children to go learn their surviving skills. Let them learn to swim
or sink. Devolve powers, teach them how to manage their own affairs.
If they fail, it is INDEED the fault of those parents.
> (Exactly the point. The select group of people who want
>independence >are from an era which is unknown to most of the youth
>of TODAY, their >problems do not date back 27 years, they are
>struggling for a place >under the SUN, they want to prove that they
>can do something.
*** What, or WHO is holding them back? Is it the ULFA? Is it those
who have their fingers on power? I hope you will not go silent and
explain that.
>Now this group of people does not want the inexperienced youth
>of >TODAY to take charge.
*** Is that an attempt at a joke? Or are have we been smoking
something we shouldn't be?
>They have been losing for the last so many years without bringing
>any >Wind of Change in Assam.
*** Xaap hoi khuitsa aaru bez hoiw zaarisa. You atre speaking from
both ends of your mouth. It may be expected from the clueless. But
what is your excuse?
Indian government is fighting them , being egged on by the likes of
you, and you expect them to bring in winds of change? Do you think
people are idiots to take you seriously?
>Have these supporters of independence ever run an organisation
>like >ULFA whose most cadres [who die in hands of the INDIAN ARMY
>or >MALARIA in BHUTAN or MYANMAR] are the inexperienced youth
*** Use your brains and try to figure out why it is so. Not very hard
at all. But if you still cannot, ASK. There will be people who will
be pleased to, explain the obvious I am sure.
>It had to happen, guess who is among the so called ELDERS of St. Luis
** It is a patently bad idea to take on things one is ignorant about.
>Hope you will continue this trend. As they say, I'm Loving It
*** I am pleased to provide the amusement. But it might not be very
entertaining if one is not sure at whose cost.
At 8:34 AM +0530 3/4/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
>On 3/4/07, Chan Mahanta
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> >Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this "Mai-Baap"
>accusation >frequently in the net. If two parents have twenty
>children, fifteen grow up to >be useful citizens and five do not,
>whom do you blame? The children or the >parents?
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>**** Assam's intelligentsia's inadequacy, like the inadequacies of
>entire Indian intelligentsia is a RESULT of a 'mai-baap' Central
>Govt's colonial accumulation of all important powers of state, with
>the intent of taking care of all those 'children', like the loving
>parents they are, NEVER letting the children LEARN to take care of
>themselves; because they are so 'incapable' (It is also a fact that
>when the children get out of hand, a firm hand is required. Maybe
>thats what is happening because as far as I know hundreds of Crores,
>if not thousands come into Assam but it either remains unutilized or
>gets utilized [gets divided I mean]).
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>The analogy of the fifteen growing up to be useful citizen with
>five becoming losers -- obviously because of their OWN DAMN fault as
>implied, is exactly the same kind of screwed-up logic, born out of a
>belief fostered by that same Indian mindset, that success and
>achievements are in the genes, so often expressed in this forum (The
>fifteen useful also have a duty towards their loser siblings. It is
>their duty to correct the losers and show them light and not run
>away).
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>What would the progeny of a class of people whose secure lifestyles
>were guaranteed by the state for producing virtually nothing, know
>about enterprise, risk-taking, self-government or working together
>for the common good? They would not want the inexperienced, the
>youth, or the unknown take charge of things. What do they know about
>running things? (Exactly the point. The select group of people who
>want independence are from an era which is unknown to most of the
>youth of TODAY, their problems do not date back 27 years, they are
>struggling for a place under the SUN, they want to prove that they
>can do something. Now this group of people does not want the
>inexperienced youth of TODAY to take charge. What do they [the
>select group] know about running things. They have been losing for
>the last so many years without bringing any Wind of Change in Assam.
>Have these supporters of independence ever run an organisation like
>ULFA whose most cadres [who die in hands of the INDIAN ARMY or
>MALARIA in BHUTAN or MYANMAR] are the inexperienced youth)
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>A classic example of that played out when such ELDERS challenged and
>denied a group of San Francisco based Kharkhowa youth, right here in
>St. Louis, who wanted to hold an Assamese Get-together. Their offer
>was of course rejected, on grounds of inexperience. And the result?
>They bolted from our little kharkhowa xomaaj. (It had to happen,
>guess who is among the so called ELDERS of St. Luis)
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>Sorry, but had to say it like it is :-). No better way to illustrate
>a point than putting forth real life examples. (Hope you will
>continue this trend. As they say, I'm Loving It)
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>At 1:05 PM -0800 3/3/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
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>>People who detest living as parasites-- better re educate
>>yourselves--fast.To become Useful to all.
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>>Who are these parasites? Politicians in Assam? Businessmen? IAS officers?
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>>Ulfa Leaders will have to be supported by each one in Assam.
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>>ULFA leaders are leaders for ULFA. Who says ULFA represents Assam?
>>Why should "each one in Assam" support them?
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>>Pol Pot was not a bad man. In fact one of the best humanistic,
>> peoples' Brother. His 2nd/3rd/4th BROTHERS are80+ today-totally
>>unrepentant-and boldly blames US policy in Indo-China that led them
>>to resort to what they had to.
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>>I can't believe someone eulogizes Pol Pot. Where are the eulogies
>>for Hitler and Stalin?
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>>"Shock and awe "- is an essential preamble for a future
>>hard-at-work-for-humanity NATION.
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>>Now I know how you are daydreaming.
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>>Last 60 years wein Assam have had no challenge, no responsibility,
>>no demand on us to prove our capabilities.India's Leadership have
>>not had a clue where/how to start undoing all their failures--even
>>today!
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>>Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this "Mai-Baap"
>>accusation frequently in the net. If two parents have twenty
>>children, fifteen grow up to be useful citizens and five do not,
>>whom do you blame? The children or the parents?
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>>We were :
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>>taken for granted,rightfully to be robbed,as low grade, sub
>>human,"Not having proven track records"
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>>Just like most of 1st world takes India to be.
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>>Just As 'Hanhor woporot xiyal roza'
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>> Nation with a shame or a conscience would have not grovelled to
>>hang on to us for 27 yrs.
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>>There is a large section of population in Assam that does not want
>>to secede. So "grovelling to hang on" is not an applicable
>>accusation.
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>>From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net>
>>To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <
>><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>absarangapani at hotmail.com>,
>><mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com> barua25 at hotmail.com,
>><mailto:Rajen.Barua at amec.com>Rajen.Barua at amec.com,
>><mailto:assam at assamnet.org> assam at assamnet.org,
>><mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
>>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:25:14 -0600
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>>You need to get your thinking cap back from wherever you left it
>>behind Alpana:-).
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>>Let us say tomorrow ULFA got sovereignty for Assam. Can ULFA govern
>>Assam all by itself?
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>>Or let us assume that you bright democracy devotees figured out
>>with your steel-trap minded analyses that -- this is it: ULFA is in
>>charge, it will use its AK 47s to vote itself into power and
>>Dilip's vision of Pol Pot brought to rule over Assam.
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>>How long do you think it could last?
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>>By making these kind of arguments do you think you look make
>>yourselves look like smart people ? You have a whole lot more
>>imagination than you make yourselves appear to be. Make use of it
>>:-). Others look at you as Assam's best. Don't let them down.
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>>At 8:58 AM -0600 3/3/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
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>>Or, what to do if it is attained. Will there be an election or is
>>it going to be a monarchy again? well, what's the difference? It
>>could be like - you vote for me, or else....
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>>From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua"
>><<mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>To: "Barua, Rajen" <
>><mailto:Rajen.Barua at amec.com>Rajen.Barua at amec.com>,
>><<mailto:assam at assamnet.org> assam at assamnet.org>,"Chan Mahanta"
>><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
>>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:42:54 -0600
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>>You need SECOND TIER plan, only if you don't have 'how to achieve'
>>the FIRST TIER plan. Is that the case here? We have not seen any
>>plan from you, how to achieve 'SOVERIGNTY' yet.
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>>Rajen
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>>----- Original Message -----
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>>From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta
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>>To: <mailto:Rajen.Barua at amec.com>Barua, Rajen ;
>><mailto:assam at assamnet.org> assam at assamnet.org
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>>Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:30 AM
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>>Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
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>>I was merely responding to the SECOND TIER ideas :-)./
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>>But don't be bashful. If you have some answers or help for the
>>second tier, do propose. That will be contributing something useful.
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>>At 9:50 AM -0500 3/2/07, Barua, Rajen wrote:
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>> >*** Why do you want autonomy Rajen?
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>>Did I say that? Please try to stick to your main point instead of
>>opening new frontiers of argument with no goal. I have given my
>>views Sovereignty issue I have not seen you moving a single inch
>>from there yet.
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>>Rajen
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>>From: <mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org>assam-bounces at assamnet.org
>>[mailto:<mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org>
>>assam-bounces at assamnet.org] On Behalf Of Chan Mahanta
>>Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:33 AM
>>To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org> assam at assamnet.org
>>Subject: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
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>>I am re-posting a page from assamnet debates from Dec 13, 2004,
>>where this 'second tier' thing was proposed by some of our esteemed
>>and 'pragmatic' friends.
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>>So I asked the highlighted question. But no answer ever came. It was like
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>>a 24000 volt live-wire--not to be touched. WHY? Because that would
>>lead to examining the issues that gave rise to the insurgency,
>>something our ever-so-righteous friends are unwilling to get near
>>of.
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>>But perhaps those like Chitta, Nayan etc. will. We will see.
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>> >Only hope is if we can, in the prsent process, make ULFA
>>overground to work for an Autonomous >Assam with the support of the
>>Assamese people.
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>>*** Why do you want autonomy Rajen?
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>>What is the matter with what is operating?
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>>What will you do with autonomy? What would your recommendations be
>>to the people of Assam as to what they can or should do with
>>autonomy? And how much autonomy? What should this autonomy give
>>Assam that it does not have now?
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