[Assam] 'Second Tier' Proponents-show your Cards!
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Sun Mar 4 09:33:22 EST 2007
>I think i'll wait for the others to comment upon what i've written
>before i >reply to your (cut the sentence in pieces, bring out
>different meanings to the >pieces) routine.
*** We will be long gone before we are going to get a halfway
coherent answer from any of our argumentative friends here. Some have
mastered the art of saying NO, yet others won't understand the
question, some will philosophize that 'bhukute kol-tw nopoke', some
will plead India's infancy as a democracy ( as if it is the daring
explorer blazing a trail) and some will assert that even in the USA
it is no different. How do I know? Because we have there time and
again. And we have seen all these pathetic responses.
From all the recent experiences I will not hold my breath about your
answers either. But surprises are most welcome. And I shall stand
corrected when they come.
>i thought you have become a bit mature (maturity is not related to
>age) when >you wrote the piece about the governance of assam. BUt as
>i opined later, i'm >sure that piece was written by someone else.
>you are not capable of doing that.
*** Oh, I am sooo hurt :-)!
At 10:52 AM +0530 3/4/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
>I think i'll wait for the others to comment upon what i've written
>before i reply to your (cut the sentence in pieces, bring out
>different meanings to the pieces) routine. i thought you have become
>a bit mature (maturity is not related to age) when you wrote the
>piece about the governance of assam. BUt as i opined later, i'm sure
>that piece was written by someone else. you are not capable of doing
>that. you are only capable of cut and paste.
>and this time definately i'll answer.
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>On 3/4/07, Chan Mahanta
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> >It is also a fact that when the children get out of hand, a firm
>hand >is required. Maybe thats what is happening because as far as I
>know >hundreds of Crores, if not thousands come into Assam but it
>either >remains unutilized or gets utilized [gets divided I mean]).
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>*** What are the tools with which the people can deal with that? Can
>you, as a lawyer practising in the High Court enlighten us on that?
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>Go ahead, give a step by step instruction. Tell us WHAT institutions
>of the Indian state the people can rely on to hold those responsible
>accountable.
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>Do you know what is going on in regards to the twenty crores plus
>spent on the incomplete Kolakhettro Conference Center? Did you know
>that those in charge, reared and nurtured in the great traditrions
>of desi-demokrasy allowed incompetent engineers from outside Assam
>to design thirty meters deep piers to hold up a tin roof, and that
>the main conference center built with its floor below adjacent
>grade, and then constructed an elaborate network of open trenches to
>prevent flooding? Who is asleep at the wheel? And WHY is it so? WHY
>is not Assam's intelligentsia, people like you, taking it lying
>down? What is YOUR excuse? Did ULFA prevent the intelligentsia from
>taking action?
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> >(The fifteen useful also have a duty towards their loser siblings.
>It >is their duty to correct the losers and show them light and not
>run >away).
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>*** That is far too idealistic. Would be nice, but cannot be
>demanded. But it is the responsibility of the parents to allow their
>children to go learn their surviving skills. Let them learn to swim
>or sink. Devolve powers, teach them how to manage their own affairs.
>If they fail, it is INDEED the fault of those parents.
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> > (Exactly the point. The select group of people who want
>independence >are from an era which is unknown to most of the youth
>of TODAY, their >problems do not date back 27 years, they are
>struggling for a place >under the SUN, they want to prove that they
>can do something.
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>*** What, or WHO is holding them back? Is it the ULFA? Is it those
>who have their fingers on power? I hope you will not go silent and
>explain that.
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> >Now this group of people does not want the inexperienced youth
>of >TODAY to take charge.
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>*** Is that an attempt at a joke? Or are have we been smoking
>something we shouldn't be?
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> >They have been losing for the last so many years without bringing
>any >Wind of Change in Assam.
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>*** Xaap hoi khuitsa aaru bez hoiw zaarisa. You atre speaking from
>both ends of your mouth. It may be expected from the clueless. But
>what is your excuse?
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>Indian government is fighting them , being egged on by the likes of
>you, and you expect them to bring in winds of change? Do you think
>people are idiots to take you seriously?
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> >Have these supporters of independence ever run an organisation
>like >ULFA whose most cadres [who die in hands of the INDIAN ARMY
>or >MALARIA in BHUTAN or MYANMAR] are the inexperienced youth
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>*** Use your brains and try to figure out why it is so. Not very
>hard at all. But if you still cannot, ASK. There will be people who
>will be pleased to, explain the obvious I am sure.
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> >It had to happen, guess who is among the so called ELDERS of St. Luis
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>** It is a patently bad idea to take on things one is ignorant about.
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> >Hope you will continue this trend. As they say, I'm Loving It
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>*** I am pleased to provide the amusement. But it might not be very
>entertaining if one is not sure at whose cost.
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>At 8:34 AM +0530 3/4/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
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>>On 3/4/07, Chan Mahanta
>><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>> >Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this
>>"Mai-Baap" accusation >frequently in the net. If two parents have
>>twenty children, fifteen grow up to >be useful citizens and five do
>>not, whom do you blame? The children or the >parents?
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>>**** Assam's intelligentsia's inadequacy, like the inadequacies of
>>entire Indian intelligentsia is a RESULT of a 'mai-baap' Central
>>Govt's colonial accumulation of all important powers of state, with
>>the intent of taking care of all those 'children', like the loving
>>parents they are, NEVER letting the children LEARN to take care of
>>themselves; because they are so 'incapable' (It is also a fact that
>>when the children get out of hand, a firm hand is required. Maybe
>>thats what is happening because as far as I know hundreds of
>>Crores, if not thousands come into Assam but it either remains
>>unutilized or gets utilized [gets divided I mean]).
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>>The analogy of the fifteen growing up to be useful citizen with
>>five becoming losers -- obviously because of their OWN DAMN fault
>>as implied, is exactly the same kind of screwed-up logic, born out
>>of a belief fostered by that same Indian mindset, that success and
>>achievements are in the genes, so often expressed in this forum
>>(The fifteen useful also have a duty towards their loser siblings.
>>It is their duty to correct the losers and show them light and not
>>run away).
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>>What would the progeny of a class of people whose secure lifestyles
>>were guaranteed by the state for producing virtually nothing, know
>>about enterprise, risk-taking, self-government or working together
>>for the common good? They would not want the inexperienced, the
>>youth, or the unknown take charge of things. What do they know
>>about running things? (Exactly the point. The select group of
>>people who want independence are from an era which is unknown to
>>most of the youth of TODAY, their problems do not date back 27
>>years, they are struggling for a place under the SUN, they want to
>>prove that they can do something. Now this group of people does not
>>want the inexperienced youth of TODAY to take charge. What do they
>>[the select group] know about running things. They have been losing
>>for the last so many years without bringing any Wind of Change in
>>Assam. Have these supporters of independence ever run an
>>organisation like ULFA whose most cadres [who die in hands of the
>>INDIAN ARMY or MALARIA in BHUTAN or MYANMAR] are the inexperienced
>>youth)
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>>A classic example of that played out when such ELDERS challenged
>>and denied a group of San Francisco based Kharkhowa youth, right
>>here in St. Louis, who wanted to hold an Assamese Get-together.
>>Their offer was of course rejected, on grounds of inexperience. And
>>the result? They bolted from our little kharkhowa xomaaj. (It had
>>to happen, guess who is among the so called ELDERS of St. Luis)
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>>Sorry, but had to say it like it is :-). No better way to
>>illustrate a point than putting forth real life examples. (Hope you
>>will continue this trend. As they say, I'm Loving It)
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>>At 1:05 PM -0800 3/3/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>People who detest living as parasites-- better re educate
>>>yourselves--fast.To become Useful to all.
>>>
>>>Who are these parasites? Politicians in Assam? Businessmen? IAS officers?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ulfa Leaders will have to be supported by each one in Assam.
>>>
>>>ULFA leaders are leaders for ULFA. Who says ULFA represents Assam?
>>>Why should "each one in Assam" support them?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Pol Pot was not a bad man. In fact one of the best humanistic,
>>> peoples' Brother. His 2nd/3rd/4th BROTHERS are80+ today-totally
>>>unrepentant-and boldly blames US policy in Indo-China that led
>>>them to resort to what they had to.
>>>
>>>I can't believe someone eulogizes Pol Pot. Where are the eulogies
>>>for Hitler and Stalin?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Shock and awe "- is an essential preamble for a future
>>>hard-at-work-for-humanity NATION.
>>>
>>>Now I know how you are daydreaming.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Last 60 years wein Assam have had no challenge, no responsibility,
>>>no demand on us to prove our capabilities.India's Leadership have
>>>not had a clue where/how to start undoing all their failures--even
>>>today!
>>>
>>>Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this "Mai-Baap"
>>>accusation frequently in the net. If two parents have twenty
>>>children, fifteen grow up to be useful citizens and five do not,
>>>whom do you blame? The children or the parents?
>>>
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>>>We were :
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>>>taken for granted,rightfully to be robbed,as low grade, sub
>>>human,"Not having proven track records"
>>>
>>>Just like most of 1st world takes India to be.
>>>
>>>Just As 'Hanhor woporot xiyal roza'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nation with a shame or a conscience would have not grovelled to
>>>hang on to us for 27 yrs.
>>>
>>>There is a large section of population in Assam that does not want
>>>to secede. So "grovelling to hang on" is not an applicable
>>>accusation.
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>>>From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <
>>><mailto:absarangapani at hotmail.com>absarangapani at hotmail.com>,
>>><mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com> barua25 at hotmail.com,
>>><mailto:Rajen.Barua at amec.com>Rajen.Barua at amec.com,
>>><mailto:assam at assamnet.org> assam at assamnet.org,
>>><mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
>>>Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
>>>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:25:14 -0600
>>>
>>>blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li {padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}
>>>
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>>>
>>>You need to get your thinking cap back from wherever you left it
>>>behind Alpana:-).
>>>
>>>
>>>Let us say tomorrow ULFA got sovereignty for Assam. Can ULFA
>>>govern Assam all by itself?
>>>
>>>
>>>Or let us assume that you bright democracy devotees figured out
>>>with your steel-trap minded analyses that -- this is it: ULFA is
>>>in charge, it will use its AK 47s to vote itself into power and
>>>Dilip's vision of Pol Pot brought to rule over Assam.
>>>
>>>
>>>How long do you think it could last?
>>>
>>>
>>>By making these kind of arguments do you think you look make
>>>yourselves look like smart people ? You have a whole lot more
>>>imagination than you make yourselves appear to be. Make use of it
>>>:-). Others look at you as Assam's best. Don't let them down.
>>>
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>>>At 8:58 AM -0600 3/3/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
>>>
>>>Or, what to do if it is attained. Will there be an election or is
>>>it going to be a monarchy again? well, what's the difference? It
>>>could be like - you vote for me, or else....
>>>
>>>
>>>From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua"
>>><<mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: "Barua, Rajen" <
>>><mailto:Rajen.Barua at amec.com>Rajen.Barua at amec.com>,
>>><<mailto:assam at assamnet.org> assam at assamnet.org>,"Chan Mahanta"
>>><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
>>>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:42:54 -0600
>>>
>>>BLOCKQUOTE {padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} DL
>>>{padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} UL
>>>{padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} OL
>>>{padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} LI
>>>{padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;}
>>>
>>>You need SECOND TIER plan, only if you don't have 'how to
>>>achieve' the FIRST TIER plan. Is that the case here? We have not
>>>seen any plan from you, how to achieve 'SOVERIGNTY' yet.
>>>
>>>Rajen
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta
>>>
>>>To: <mailto:Rajen.Barua at amec.com>Barua, Rajen ;
>>><mailto:assam at assamnet.org> assam at assamnet.org
>>>
>>>Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:30 AM
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
>>>
>>>
>>>I was merely responding to the SECOND TIER ideas :-)./
>>>
>>>
>>>But don't be bashful. If you have some answers or help for the
>>>second tier, do propose. That will be contributing something
>>>useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>c
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>>>At 9:50 AM -0500 3/2/07, Barua, Rajen wrote:
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>>> >*** Why do you want autonomy Rajen?
>>>
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>>>
>>>Did I say that? Please try to stick to your main point instead of
>>>opening new frontiers of argument with no goal. I have given my
>>>views Sovereignty issue I have not seen you moving a single inch
>>>from there yet.
>>>
>>>Rajen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From:
>>><mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org>assam-bounces at assamnet.org
>>>[mailto:<mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org>
>>>assam-bounces at assamnet.org ] On Behalf Of Chan Mahanta
>>>Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:33 AM
>>>To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org> assam at assamnet.org
>>>Subject: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
>>>
>>>I am re-posting a page from assamnet debates from Dec 13, 2004,
>>>where this 'second tier' thing was proposed by some of our
>>>esteemed and 'pragmatic' friends.
>>>
>>>
>>>So I asked the highlighted question. But no answer ever came. It was like
>>>
>>>a 24000 volt live-wire--not to be touched. WHY? Because that would
>>>lead to examining the issues that gave rise to the insurgency,
>>>something our ever-so-righteous friends are unwilling to get near
>>>of.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>But perhaps those like Chitta, Nayan etc. will. We will see.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> >Only hope is if we can, in the prsent process, make ULFA
>>>overground to work for an Autonomous >Assam with the support of
>>>the Assamese people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*** Why do you want autonomy Rajen?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What is the matter with what is operating?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What will you do with autonomy? What would your recommendations be
>>>to the people of Assam as to what they can or should do with
>>>autonomy? And how much autonomy? What should this autonomy give
>>>Assam that it does not have now?
>>>
>>>
>>>cm
>>>
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>Nayanjyoti Medhi
>Advocate
>Gauhati High Court
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>Chamber:
>Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
>Guwahati-781001, Assam
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>Residence:
>8, Chandan Nagar Bye Lane-2
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>Nayanjyoti Medhi
>Advocate
>Gauhati High Court
>
>Chamber:
>Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
>Guwahati-781001, Assam
>
>Residence:
>8, Chandan Nagar Bye Lane-2
>Basistha Road, Guwahati-28
>Assam
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