[Assam] [WaterWatch] use sea water to flush toilets.

Fri Nov 23 09:55:23 CST 2007

the desalination plants on the sea shores will dump the chlorides back in to the sea.  That is no problem.
Salt% will be equilibrium in the Sea in a few minutes. 
Also, theTHICKER BRINE  will be better starting material for Soda /Alkali plants.
What IS a problem? The anaerobic bacteria in the Septic Tank will all die!
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To: WaterWatch at yahoogroups.comFrom: brijkhandelwal at hotmail.comDate: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:53:28 +0530Subject: Re: [WaterWatch] use sea water to flush toilets.

the desalination plants on the sea shores will dump the chlorides back in to the sea.
think of the whole lot of problems and diseases we are having because of scarcity of water. an experimental initiative can always be taken. technology will find solutions to any problems that crop up. salty water can kill many bacterias and deadly viruses.

brij khandelwal

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From: rohit pathania 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WaterWatch] use sea water to flush toilets.

I do not think that is such agood idea. Where will we dispose the heavy chloride content water then? Into rivers? It will only add to the increasing pollution of river streams. Also, too much chloride can prove detrimental to the fresh water aquatic life. 
On 11/13/07, Richard Harkinson <rharkinson at hotmail.com> wrote: 

I'm uncertain where the notion of desalination (which is expensive) fits into this model? The basic premises of wastewater treatment is screening (course then fine) followed by 'primary' treatment (sedimentation > anaerobic digestion > de-watering) to take out suspended matter (and return water to?). 'Secondary' treatment can follow to further remove BOD and other polluting factors. The water salinity would tend to make the oxidation more difficult.  Certainly ideas which centre around smaller-scale dry oxidation need to be rigorous in achieving some sterilisation. The most useful ideas are through using bio-remediation. This can achieve (re)cyling of waste as fertiliser through sterilisation and also 'stabilising' the waste so that chemical decomposition can make the nitrates fraction (ammonia conversion) available for plant up-take. > To: WaterWatch at yahoogroups.com> From: brijkhandelwal at hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:06:20 +0530> Subject: [WaterWatch] use sea water to flush toilets. 
> > > From: BRIJ KHANDELWAL> 21/22. Free Ganj, AGRA-282004> Phones: 05624002937, mobile: 9997186708> email: brijkhandelwal at hotmail.com> > > so many alternative toilet designs have been considered but none found > practical enough.> the problem is not so much with the toilet design but with the scarce water > resources at our command.> we have to therefore look for ways to increase water supply.> i have long been campaigning for laying pipelines from the sea coast to feed > sea water to muncipalities. the sea water can be used for the toilets, for > cleaning utensils and for the garages. a beginning can be made in cities > along the vast coastline of india.> luckily india has the technology now to desalinate water. in most urban > centres people have already begun buying so called mineral water in bottles > and jars. if people are willing to buy water, the sea water filtered and > desalinated can also be supplied. clusters of tiny sea water treatment units > can come up all along the coast and the water can be transported. we should > also start working on sea water lakes fed by a pipeline. the lakes will > bring down the pollution level, control temperature and also help develop > fisheries. sea weeds can also grow.> india is fortunate to have sea on three sides. a few hundred kilometre long > pipelines from the sea pumping sea water will be very practical, safe and > economic. sea water will also kill a variety of bacterias and insects. our > rivers too can be flushed with sea water, roads cleaned. > the need therefore is to use treated sea water.> it is neither practical nor desirable to stop using flush toilets. all you > need is a regular supply of water to flush out the shit. so start using sea > water.> desalination plants using solar energy have already come up in several > countries. one is working in tamil nadu. tidal energy can also be used to > desalinate water.> let us use our vast resources of sea water. that is the need of the hour. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <waterwatch at yahoo.com >> To: <WaterWatch at yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:50 PM > Subject: [WaterWatch] Nobel Peace Prize for re-inventing toilet!> > > > Nobel Peace Prize for re-inventing toilet!> >> > Common flush toilet with its numerous opulent versions has outlived its > > relevance! Undoubtedly cynical, it is time that this sixteenth century > > invention is taken back to the drawing board before it turns out to be a > > seat of inconvenience. It is neither a outrageous suggestion to shun the > > existing toilet nor a weird provocation to go back-to-the-cave, but a > > considered reflection on the flip side of a toilet.> >> > Without doubt, flush toilet has evolved into essential convenience of > > modern living. No wonder, governments and aid agencies are flushing > > additional resources to meet the millennium development goal of bringing > > sanitation to all by 2015. Indian's rural development ministry is working > > overtime to meet its target of making the entire countryside free of open > > defecation by 2012.> >> > Without disrespect to those who have yet to possess it, the fact that > > toilet eludes over a couple of billion potential users worldwide is good > > news for the planet! How could the world justify the intended conversion > > of precious freshwater into brown water at each flushing of human excreta? > > The original toilet design may have gone through several iterations ever > > since Sir John Harrington had drawn a patent in 1595, the fact that a > > pre-determined quantity of water makes it functional may turn out to be > > its nemesis.> >> > It better be so, else the task of providing sanitation to over 66 per cent > > rural and some 24 per cent city dwellers will be at the cost of cutting > > down on water supplies from yet-to-be-covered population of over 400 > > million, scattered across villages and cities in India. However, with each > > use of the toilet, be it modern push button or the low-cost pour flush > > version, flushing anywhere between 6 to 15 litres of water providing > > sanitation is more than just building toilets.> >> > In no way should it be construed that the idea of toilet be ignored. > > However, the pathologisation of sanitation has seriously overlooked the > > plain fact that toilet is a function of water that is getting scarcer by > > the day. Be it the UN Millennium Development Goals (MDG) or India's Total > > Sanitation Campaign (TSC), the focus on number crunching aims at achieving > > targets only. Whether or not there is water to keep the system in > > operation remains at the periphery!> >> > Until this water guzzling technology is reinvented, its recurring cost > > will exceed the cost of building a toilet in the first place. And the cost > > will invariably get externalized, either on the ecosystem or on those who > > await their share of water. Unless sanitation is backed by treatment of > > wastewater, young children will continue to bear the brunt. Improper > > disposal of human excreta pollutes water which, coupled with lack of > > personal hygiene, takes daily tool on some 1,000 children in India. > >> > Need it be said that water management is not only about managing fresh > > water but about protecting it from getting polluted too. A recent World > > Bank report laments that only 30 per cent of the wastewater generated in > > the country is put to any form of treatment. The incremental cost of > > wastewater polluting additional freshwater sources, be it surface or > > ground water, may prove costly in the long run. > >> > Designing water frugal toilets with suitable wastewater treatment can no > > longer be ignored. Attempts at designing waterless and low-water consuming > > toilets have already been made. Incinolet is one such toilet design that > > utilises electric heat to turn the fruit of your labours into a tablespoon > > of germ-free ash. By using microwaves this American invention replaces > > flushing with incineration. However, its prohibitive cost is deterrent to > > its mass scale adoption.> >> > Inventor's Peter Soulsby more benign aerobic toilet promises drastic cut > > down in water use in the loo. Using saw dust and an electric fan to create > > aerobic conditions, this design consumes 2,500 litres of water per 40,000 > > sittings, as against 600,000 litres in a conventional flush. However, none > > of these inventions have been able to replace the conventional toilets > > that are not only cheap but less complicated too.> >> > Research on creating alternate toilet designs need to be taken on priority > > such that the 21st century becomes the `century of alternate toilets', > > much like the 19th century that was called the `century of toilet' when > > new patents were drawn to help improve the quality of WC that launched > > several attractive designs in the market. However, this time around a > > Nobel Peace Prize may be in the waiting for anyone developing an alternate > > toilet design for widespread adoption. Any takers!> >> > Sudhirendar Sharma> > October 22, 2007 > > http://jalebiuncoiled.blogspot.com/> >> >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links > >> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! 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