[Assam] assam Digest, Vol 26, Issue 66

[ulfa_ 1979April7]

To:  assamonline
   
    ULFA  invites  genuine  sincere questions  from persons(not gangs)  not happy with their  so-called education ,wanting  to KNOW how to fight and win their great future in sovereign Assam .
 
Firstly we will have background checks  done on  real (?) questioners. Please tolerate delays.
 
  ULFA will ignore halfwit questions and questioners who think they already know and  are already bonded mentally or monetarily. 
 
 With  Best Regards to  respectable  Assamonliners,
 
 Rubi
--------------------
 P.S.---Let us see what  SOMEone wrote.
 
  Re: ULFA - Asom's Sovereinity 
   
  Should Rubi's incoherent responses to(clever?) questions put by netizens is an
indication, I now know why Government of India does not want to talk
to ULFA -(becos?) ULFA can not respond to any discussion sensibly and with
substance. If this is the level of intellect in ULFA, upon
sovereignity ( hypothetical ), Assam is going to race down to the
bottom  (of ?)in no time.

Scarier, still, are the remarks such as:

"Working ,learning, eating ,living in 21st century's best place on
earth to live—guided by worthy good people."
"Any FILM /TV/PAPER STORIES are total waste and Monkey business.
Assamese need to throw these out as garbage."

More than anything else, it reminds me(Great International Politician cold war days**?)of the defunct Soviet Union
with no freedom of press/information and about "worthy good people " -
Ruby are you alluding to ULFA's higher ups in B'desh ?No ,to You **of course

Rubi, I have but two choices:

1) Being ruled by ULFA and Bandladesh - with the requirement that I
change my name from Borgohain to Bor-Mian and adopt the new state
language Sylethi of "independent" Assam within 5 years of(you retired as Chief of India's Planning Commission?)
sovereignity ( hypothetical )

2) Be "exploited" by the colonial Indian establishment - with whom I
share cultural, heritage, linguistic affinity ( Varanasi - Kashi -
Thirupathi are as much part of my heritage as Kamakhya and Xonkordeb(Khichiri!)
are. )

I think alternative 2) is much better, dont you think ? Asking Me?

Any way, Rubi, bottom line, India (we) has been able to put in check,
Pakistans's ( your masters by proxy ) militants operating in Kashmir,
you think ULFA stands a chance ?

If the "Liberation" in ULFA stands for liberating the people from
poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, liberation from
being culturally and demographically swamped by Bangladeshis, then we
are also ULFA, you will not have to invite us to join.

But if "Liberation" in ULFA stands for anything outside the Indian
political system, then we are on opposite sides.

Monjit Borgohain
  

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1. Heavy Note (Chan Mahanta)
2. Re: Indian Political Boundary (Alpana B. Sarangapani)
3. Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy
(Krishnendu Chakraborty)
4. OUR SARDAR (kamal deka)
5. Indian Political Boundary (Krishnendu Chakraborty)
6. Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy
(Krishnendu Chakraborty)
7. Re: Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy (barua25)
From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:51:41 -0500
Subject: [Assam] Heavy Note

      Where is the heavy note? Hope it did not sink in the net from its own weight .
  

  BTW, does Ruby Bhuyan speak for ULFA or does she merely serve as a dispatcher?
  

  Why I ask is because to assume Ruby Bhuyan as ULFA's brain trust, would either indicate  groping at straws to devalue ULFA or bring burdened by a rather uncritical outlook, if not entirely naive.  I hope it is the former .
  

  cm :-)
  

  PS: Would like to see Utpal's note, so we can weigh it and see how heavy it might be. Deal?
  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  At 5:13 PM +0530 9/30/07, shantikam hazarika wrote:
  Utpal Borpujari had written a heavy note with his posers for ULFA and I was apprehensive about how ULFA would react. My apprehensions been proved correct. The replies that ULFA has put in blue colour in the original writing of Utpal make very little sense and displays the vacuity in ULFA's level of thinking. In fact, each and every response from ULFA in the net, meagre though they have been so far, shows their utter ineptness. No doubt, they are avoiding direct talks so far. Just imagine, when they sit for talks, with the level of arguments that they have provided to uphold their cause so far, how much they would reach? No doubt, in this particular case, they start with the response maybe Last if you try to misuse. 
You can be sure they would run away from this discussion any time now.

Your Heritage is your asset-use for Assam's happiness
What do you make out of this?

Utpal stated "Does this mean that in ULFA's map of Assam, Bhutan/Arunachal Pradesh/Nagaland/ Manipur/Mizoram are all included as an integral part of Assam? Asking because between Assam & Tibet are Bhutan & Arunachal, between Assam & Yunnan is Arunachal, and between Assam and 'Maan' are Arunachal/Nagaland/ Mainpur/Mizoram. And the southern borders do not mention Bangladesh.Can we have an image of the independent Assam that ULFA wants?"
ULFA replied: You just stated it. Not ULFA - but by all living therein.

Again, not easy to make out what they mean. I can only deduce that ULFA's independent Assam will include Bhutan, Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur, Nagaland etc and nothing is definite about Bangladesh. As they say, "Mantabya Nisproyojan."

Everybody Working ,learning, eating ,living in 21st century's best place  on earth to live-guided by worthy good people.
We ll this seems to be ULFA's economic model for Independent Assam. God bless my country and my countrymen.


For that matter, anyone who can make sense out of the following responses, please take the trouble of enlighting me.

These are bored employees killing themselves in hundreds.

they come and  they go settlers Ask your blood brothers

democracy? After course has been RESET

Any FILM /TV/PAPER STORIES are total waste and Monkey business. Assamese need to throw these out as garbage.

We will Elevate them to heights

Is there a possibility There IS of ULFA extending the ban to literature, dance and other art forms from outside?
There is a possibility that ULFA's role model is Aurangzeb.

Utpal had asked " 12. What are your views on NSCN-IM's demand for Greater Nagalim which includes parts of Assam , Arunachal and Manipur? All  Assam   will be their own."
W e thought ULFA has sold out to Bangladesh. It seems that contract is with NSCN-IM.

These are just a dozen. If I have more, I will send them in my next mail. Plz. Do not.
So the escape hatch is already open.

 99.999% Assamese Expect us to productive work. Journalists need no coaching ,spoonfeeding.
Productive work eh?

I think any more comments would be super farcical.

Shantikam Hazarika


  On 9/27/07, ulfa_ 1979April7 <ulfa_1979april7 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
  
  I fully agree with Mrinal that for the first time maybe Last if you try to misuse , at least one section of Assamese (those with access to the Internet and part of this e-group) are being able to have a direct interaction with Ruby Bhuyan (or as Mrinal says, a person assuming the identity of Ruby Bhuyan since the original RB has already surrendered quite sometime back), and through 'her', the ULFA. So, let both sides  
  Shantikam Hazarika  Director,  Assam Institute of Management  PO Box 30, GUWAHATI 781001, India  HOME PAGE: www.aimguwahati.edu.in  

    
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From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <absarangapani at hotmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:01:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary

    .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }    Hi C'da:
 
Add Russia, China, UK, Canada and some portion of USA to that too. As opposed to your cynical comment as ever on the topic, I also do not think that Hindi would be the 2nd language in these contries. But that is the fact. In fact, i hear several 'phoren' movies in 'Aamerika' now have music from Hindi movies on the background. 
But I do think Spanish would be.
 
In Chennai etc., many of our Tamil relatives - nephews and nieces (even old aunts and uncles) speak fluent Hindi - English is a must for college educated people there, of course. But I get the feeling that Hindi is not only convenient if they go for training etc. into the north, but also is considered "elite". 
 
Regards, 
- Alpana.
 
 
 
 
 


 
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  Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:44:13 -0500
To: assam at assamnet.org
From: cmahanta at charter.net
Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary

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  Hindi movies are very popular in Abu Dhabi, Egypt and Albania too.
  

  Putting two and two together, like the desi knowledge brigade so clearly project, we can fairly assume that  pretty soon the whole world will change over to Hindi.
  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  At 3:55 AM -0700 9/30/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
  Hindi movies are equally popular in Karnataka and Andhra. In TN also the situation is changing. I have two-three tamil colleaugues who speak pretty good Hindi though they never stepped out of TN before getting a job. They say they learnt voluntarily from Hindi Pracharak Samitis.     Rgds,  Sandip
  ----- Original Message ----
From: biswajeet saikia <biswajeetsaikia at yahoo.com>
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world <assam at assamnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:59:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary

I hope when people discuss such types of things, it is better to verify various  linguistic survey where district wise data has given. We need need to imagin anything for argument.

Dilip/Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
  In a federalistic system, the state decides how it wants to run its business -- right?  In a few years states like Texas, Florida and Arizona will see Hispanic population as the majority, with Spanish used as the other language for running official business definitely, and may be other businesses too if they turn out to be import/export only. If the majority in a state decides to use Spanish for its business, won't the citizens of that state need Spanish to get ahead?     In India, Hindi is spoken by more and more Indians. When I lived in India it was rare to find a person in the South speaking Hindi. When I interact with Indians working with us on global projects, I find even Indians from the South speak fluent Hindi. Where they learnt I don't know and I don't know if they were forced to learn.  Dilip

Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
  
  >It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic groups is bound to happen.  
  *** Does that mean that unless an American learns Spanish, she might not be able to get ahead when that time arrives?  
  
  *** And to extend the logic, will one have to learn Hindi to get ahead  in India pretty soon,  unless it is already so?  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  At 12:39 PM -0700 9/28/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
  If you leave out the Hispanics, you can say it is one language in USA. As we all know, USA will have to face the issue of two rival languages very soon.
      
   Also USA does not have an official language. The reign of English as the language is due to the fact that all immigrants had to learn the language to get ahead. It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic groups is bound to happen.
  Dilip

barua25 <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
  It is all one mother tongue, one language here.
Not like India as a whole administered by a foreign language: English.
Barua

----- Original Message -----
From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary


Rajen-da
>>First India was never such a big united country as
it is now.

**** Applying this logic, even US should be termed as
a country that was never expected to ever be a
country. Apart from European colonization the wars,
grabbing of land from Native Americans and Speniards
continued till late 19th century (source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA#Native_Americans_and_European_settlers).
Same goes true for Canada (even may be Australia).


>>>>> First India was never such a big united country
as it is now.
Even during the British Raj, there were many many
independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where prsent
India is.
Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
except to some extent under the Moghols.

***** The map I see in wiki
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_dynasty) shows
that almost entire south barring present TN and Kerala
was under Mauryas.  
Coming to point of Assam, Kamrup historically had a
very close tie with rest of India ... reference
Mahabharat. Culturally too, think about Krishna --
Kalika Purana mentions that the last of the
Naraka-bhauma rulers, Narak, was slained by Krishna.

As for never being ruled by any Indian King, the
argument is same as I mentioned for US or Canada or
many other countries.


>>>>>> The Indian situation is same. It is one
country because of one foreign language: English. Thus
the historians have a point. Today, take away the
English language fron India, the Indian democracy will
collapese overnight.

***** This is a very new argument ... never heard
this argument earlier! How many people in villages of
India do you think can speak English ... I am not
talking about proficient but at least Pigin English?
A guess will be less then half of Indian Population
speaks English. People adapt languages because of
convenience. Imagine, had you been a villager of
Assam, would you care to learn English? Or say if you
spend most of your life in Delhi or UP, can you avoid
learnig Hindi even though you might be a Hindi hater?





>>>>>The issue under discussion is : "India is the
country that was never expected to ever be a country".

The above point which some historians are trying to
make is this.
First India was never such a big united country as it
is now.
Even during the British Raj, there were many many
independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where prsent
India is.
Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
except to some extent under the Moghols.
Then the Marathas were also out.
Old Kamrup, that is present Assam and NE were never
under any Indian kings, nor under Ashok, nor under the
Guptas, nor under the Moghols. This came under India
only under the British.

Today India is one country not because of any unity
but because of its diversity which cannot be defined
under any political science.
  Imagnice Europe under one country because of one
foreign language (say) Hindi. Can one imagine? The
Indian situation is same. It is one country because
of one foreign language: English. Thus the historians
have a point. Today, take away the English language
fron India, the Indian democracy will collapese
overnight.
That is the point.
Barua

----- Original Message -----
From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty" yahoo.com>
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary


Rajenda

What can be the point here.

I see from Wiki that the Maurya India is close to
today's India

This was followed by Invasions by Greeks, Sakas etc
when it again got disintegrated.


>>>That is because they historians and thought
leaders.
This is a good topic one can debate long.
I think they have their points.
Barua

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajib Das"
To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
from around the world"
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi-
Bengal democracy


I fail to understand why SOME historians (and thought
leaders) continue to insist that India is a country
that was never meant to be.

The exact political boundaries are new (as in 60 years
old) - but there is enough political thought through
the course of history - before the Brits came in or
even before the Islamic invasion of India - to warrant
the idea of India.



--- Rajen & Ajanta Barua
wrote:

> Umesh:
> India is best described as 'an elected
> dictatorship'.
> Rajenda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: umesh sharma
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
> from around the world
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After
> Gandhi- Bengal democracy
>
>
> Rajen-da
>
> Good example of India-Shining rhetoric.
> But just becos there is peace (despite armed
> militancy in 25% of India's districts- NE, Kashmir,
> Bihar, Central India, LTTE South India etc etc) and
> not many are dying of starvation and voting not by
> reading election manifestos but by recognizing
> cartoons (election symbols) of political parties .  >
> Even democratically elected communist govt (an
> anamoly) of West Bengal is allegedly in power for
> past 25 years non-stop since a nexus prevents
> anyone from voting against the "party" or else
> face ex-communication a-la erstwhile Pope's rule in
> Europe in medieval times -as per a Bengali
> researcher .
>
> But ofcourse noone can deny that despite is
> shortcomings the India that is Bharat is growing -
> despite spoofs like Hollywood's "Borat" movie
> (Bharat ??) from Kazakhstan (Rajasthan???)
>
> Umesh
>
>
> Rajen & Ajanta Barua
wrote:
> Following may be added from another review about
> the book:
>
> India is the country that was never expected to
> ever be a country. In the late 19th century, Sir
> John Strachey, a senior British official, grandly
> opined that the territory's diverse states simply
> could not possess any sort of unity, physical,
> political, social or religious. Strachey, clearly,
> was wrong: India today is a unified entity and a
> rising global power. Even so, it continues to defy
> explanation. India's existence, says Guha, an
> internationally known scholar (Environmentalism: A
> Global History), has also been an anomaly for
> academic political science, according to whose
> axioms cultural heterogeneity and poverty do not
> make a nation, still less a democratic one. Yet
> India continues to exist. Guha's aim in this
> startlingly ambitious political, cultural and social
> survey is to explain why and how. He cheerfully
> concludes that India's continuing existence results
> from its unique diversity and its refusal to be
> pigeonholed into such conventional political models
> as Anglo-American liberalism, French republicanism,
> atheistic communism or Islamist theocracy. India is
> proudly sui generis, and with August 15, 2007, being
> the 60th anniversary of Indian independence, Guha's
> magisterial history of India since that day comes
  > not a moment too soon. 32 pages of b&w illus., 8
> maps.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua
> To: assam at assamnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:42 PM
> Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After
> Gandhi
>
>
> Good review of a grand 900 page book on India
> recently published:
>
> India After Gandhi: The History of the World's
> Largest Democracy by Ramachandra Guha
>
> From The Washington Post's Book
> World/washingtonpost.com
> Reviewed by George Perkovich
> A toast to India on its 60th birthday: No
> country has more heroically pursued the promise of
> democracy. Against the odds of staggering poverty,
> conflicting religious passions, linguistic
> pluralism, regional separatism, caste injustice and
> natural resource scarcity, Indians have lifted
> themselves largely by their own sandal straps to
> become a stalwart democracy and emerging global
> power. India has risen with epic drama -- a
> nonviolent struggle for independence followed by
> mass mayhem and bloodletting, dynastic succession
> and assassination, military victory and defeat,
> starvation succeeded by green revolution, political
> leaders as saints, sinners and sexual ascetics. And
> yet, the Indian story rarely has been told and is
> practically unknown to Americans.
> India After Gandhi masterfully fills the void.
> India needs a wise and judicious narrator to convey
> its scale, diversity and chaos -- to describe the
> whirlwind without getting lost in it. It needs a
> biographer neither besotted by love nor enraged by
> disappointment. Ramachandra Guha, a historian who
> has taught at Stanford and Yale and now lives in
> Bangalore, has given democratic India the rich,
> well-paced history it deserves.
> Much will be new to American readers.
> Large-scale conflicts in India's northeast between
> tribal groups and the center have been as enduring,
> and in some ways as important, as the more familiar
> violence in Kashmir. The framing of India's
> constitution from 1946 through 1949 should induce
> awe, especially in light of Iraq's post-Saddam
> experience.
> In the midst of Hindu-Muslim bloodshed, a
> flood of 8 million refugees, starvation, and other  > profound conflicts, Indian representatives worked
> out constitutional provisions to protect minorities,
> keep religion out of state power, correct thousands
> of years of caste discrimination and redistribute
> power and wealth accumulated by still-regnant
> princely states. This was done with no external
> guidance or pressure. The drafting committee was
> chaired by an "untouchable," B.R. Ambedkar --
> analogies are inexact, but imagine if James Madison
> at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention had
> been a freed slave.
> Specialists will quicken over insights from
> the private papers of Indira Gandhi's confidant,
> P.N. Haksar, who gave his papers to Guha. These
> documents reveal, among other things, that it was
> the Soviet Union that proposed the 1971 treaty of
> cooperation and friendship between the two
> countries, and that suspicion of China motivated
> both nations more than was appreciated at the time.
> Miniature biographies of grassroots leaders
> and movements also enliven Guha's storytelling. Jay
> Aprakash Narayan -- "JP" -- plays a leading role. A
> onetime friend of Nehru who became the bête noir of
> his daughter, Indira Gandhi, JP led a massive
> movement for radical governmental reform in 1974-75,
> which moved Indira Gandhi to declare a national
> emergency and suspend democracy.
> Some themes go under-explored: For example,
> why has the Indian Army abstained from interfering
> in politics, unlike the military in many other
> developing countries? And why has India given short
> shrift to primary education, even as it has
> developed technological institutes that rival M.I.T?
> Many chapters begin or end with India's future
> in doubt. "India is almost infinitely depressing,"
> Aldous Huxley wrote in 1961, "for there seems to be
> no solution to its problems in any way that any of
> us [in the West] regard as acceptable." He predicted
  > that "when Nehru goes, the government will become a
> military dictatorship." Guha records that "ever
> since the country was formed there have also been
> many Indians who have seen the survival of India as
> being on the line, some (the patriots) speaking or
> writing in fear, others (the secessionists or
> revolutionaries) with anticipation."
> Yet, marvelously, India's survival as a
> democracy seems more assured than ever. Less clear
> is the nature of its relationship with America.
> Since 2005, the U.S. and Indian governments have
> moved toward nuclear cooperation, reversing 30 years
> of U.S. policy against nuclear assistance to
> countries that refuse to sign the Nuclear
> Nonproliferation Treaty.
> Washington clearly views India as a
> counterbalance to China's strategic power. But Guha
> records an important historical parallel.
> In 1962, China crossed disputed boundaries in
> the northwest and northeast of India. A shocked
> Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru abandoned
> nonalignment and pleaded for emergency U.S. military
> assistance. Ambassador John Kenneth Galbraith wrote
> to President Kennedy: "The only Asian country which
> really stands in [China's] way is India and pari
> passu the only Western country that is assuming
> responsibility is the United States. . . . We should
> expect to make use of India's political position,
> geographical position, political power and manpower
> or anyhow ask."
> Four decades later, another Harvard
> professor-cum-American ambassador to India, Robert
> Blackwill, championed the proposed nuclear deal with
> similar reasoning. As different as the presidents
> they served, Blackwill and Galbraith were tempted by
> strategic abstraction and a desire to raise "their"
> country -- India -- in American priorities. Yet
> supplying arms to India in 1962 did not make India
> any more deferential to U.S. foreign policy.
> Washington will delude itself again if it thinks
> that nuclear India will be a pliant instrument in
> its
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To: assam at assamnet.org
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

> They came to India to trade.

With guns !!! That they could not anihilate Indians
like the Native Americans is all that is causing
today's heartburn for many.


> Sorry I can't help it. That is the fact,
> India is a country united by the British with the
> English language.


It is merely an opinion .... not a fact. Over 80%
Indians do not know English and still want to remain
Indian. 

> 
> >What you mean is had Indians been anihilated by
> >British then English could have been considered as
> a
> >Native Language for India !
> 
> Don't try to twist meaning for nothing. It does not
> work that way.
> The British necver came to India to settle down like
> Europeans went to 
> America to settle.
> They came to India to trade.
> 
> to say that
> > India is united just because of English is an
> absurd
> > logic.
> 
> Sorry I can't help it. That is the fact,
> India is a country united by the British with the
> English language.
> 
> Rajenda
> 





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To: assam at assamnet.org
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:06:15 -0500
Subject: [Assam] OUR SARDAR

  PAKISTANI,BANGLADESHI AND OUR SARDAR ARE IN A BAR ONE NIGHT HAVING A BEER.
   
  THE PAKISTANI DRINKS HIS BEER AND SUDDENLY THROWS HIS GLASS IN THE AIR,PULLS OUT A GUN AND SHOOTS THE GLASS TO PIECES.HE SAYS " IN ISLAMABAD,OUR GLASSES ARE SO CHEAP THAT WE DON'T DRINK FROM THE SAME ONE TWICE " 
   
  THE BANGLADESHI,OBVIOUSLY IMPRESSED BY THIS,DRINKS HIS BEER,THROWS THE GLASS IN THE AIR AND SHOOTS THE GLASS TO PIECES.HE SAYS " IN DHAKA,WE HAVE SO MUCH SAND TO MAKE GLASSES THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DRINK OUT OF THE SAME GLASS TWICE EITHER " 
   
  OUR SARDAR,COOL AS CUCUMBER,PICKS UP HIS BEER,DRINKS IT AND THROWS THE GLASS IN THE AIR AND SHOOTS THE PAKISTANI AND THE BANGLADESHI.HE SAYS " IN INDIA WE HAVE SO MANY BANGLADESHIS AND PAKISTANIS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DRINK WITH THE SAME ONES TWICE " 
   
From: Krishnendu Chakraborty <krish_gau at yahoo.com>
To: assam at assamnet.org
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:12:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary

I visited TN (Chennai, Madurai, Kanyakumari) during
1991 and then again in 2005. There is a big change
in terms of Hindi. In 91, people were too averse to
Hindi (due to which we were cheated many times in
fact) whereas in 2005 I found that most people
understand and some try to speak Hindi.

I did not see the Hindi hate which I saw earlier.


> 
> Hindi movies are very popular in Abu Dhabi, Egypt
> and Albania too.
> 
> Putting two and two together, like the desi 
> knowledge brigade so clearly project, we can 
> fairly assume that pretty soon the whole world 
> will change over to Hindi.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 3:55 AM -0700 9/30/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
> >Hindi movies are equally popular in Karnataka 
> >and Andhra. In TN also the situation is 
> >changing. I have two-three tamil colleaugues who 
> >speak pretty good Hindi though they never 
> >stepped out of TN before getting a job. They say 
> >they learnt voluntarily from Hindi Pracharak 
> >Samitis.
> >
> >Rgds,
> >Sandip
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: biswajeet saikia 
> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in 
> >Assam from around the world 
> >Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:59:15 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> >
> >I hope when people discuss such types of things, 
> >it is better to verify various linguistic 
> >survey where district wise data has given. We 
> >need need to imagin anything for argument.
> >
> >Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
> >
> >In a federalistic system, the state decides how 
> >it wants to run its business -- right?
> >In a few years states like Texas, Florida and 
> >Arizona will see Hispanic population as the 
> >majority, with Spanish used as the other 
> >language for running official business 
> >definitely, and may be other businesses too if 
> >they turn out to be import/export only. If the 
> >majority in a state decides to use Spanish for 
> >its business, won't the citizens of that state 
> >need Spanish to get ahead?
> >
> >In India, Hindi is spoken by more and more 
> >Indians. When I lived in India it was rare to 
> >find a person in the South speaking Hindi. When 
> >I interact with Indians working with us on 
> >global projects, I find even Indians from the 
> >South speak fluent Hindi. Where they learnt I 
> >don't know and I don't know if they were forced 
> >to learn.
> >Dilip
> >
> >Chan Mahanta wrote:
> >
> >
> > >It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen.
> >
> >*** Does that mean that unless an American 
> >learns Spanish, she might not be able to get 
> >ahead when that time arrives?
> >
> >
> >*** And to extend the logic, will one have to 
> >learn Hindi to get ahead in India pretty soon, 
> >unless it is already so?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:39 PM -0700 9/28/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
> >
> >>If you leave out the Hispanics, you can say it 
> >>is one language in USA. As we all know, USA 
> >>will have to face the issue of two rival 
> >>languages very soon.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Also USA does not have an official language. The 
> >reign of English as the language is due to the 
> >fact that all immigrants had to learn the 
> >language to get ahead. It is slowly changing and 
> >clash of linguistic groups is bound to happen.
> >
> >Dilip
> >
> >barua25 wrote:
> >
> >It is all one mother tongue, one language here.
> >Not like India as a whole administered by a foreign
> language: English.
> >Barua
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"
> >To:
> >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:12 AM
> >Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> >
> >
> >Rajen-da
> >>>First India was never such a big united country
> as
> >it is now.
> >
> >**** Applying this logic, even US should be termed
> as
> >a country that was never expected to ever be a
> >country. Apart from European colonization the wars,
> >grabbing of land from Native Americans and
> Speniards
> >continued till late 19th century (source:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA#Native_Americans_and_European_settlers).
> >Same goes true for Canada (even may be Australia).
> >
> >
> >>>>>> First India was never such a big united
> country
> >as it is now.
> >Even during the British Raj, there were many many
> >independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where
> prsent
> >India is.
> >Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
> >except to some extent under the Moghols.
> >
> >***** The map I see in wiki
> >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_dynasty) shows
> >that almost entire south barring present TN and
> Kerala
> >was under Mauryas.
> >
> >Coming to point of Assam, Kamrup historically had a
> >very close tie with rest of India ... reference
> >Mahabharat. Culturally too, think about Krishna --
> >Kalika Purana mentions that the last of the
> >Naraka-bhauma rulers, Narak, was slained by
> Krishna.
> >
> >As for never being ruled by any Indian King, the
> >argument is same as I mentioned for US or Canada or
> >many other countries.
> >
> >
> >>>>>>> The Indian situation is same. It is one
> >country because of one foreign language: English.
> Thus
> >the historians have a point. Today, take away the
> >English language fron India, the Indian democracy
> will
> >collapese overnight.
> >
> >***** This is a very new argument ... never heard
> >this argument earlier! How many people in villages
> of
> >India do you think can speak English ... I am not
> >talking about proficient but at least Pigin
> English?
> >A guess will be less then half of Indian Population
> >speaks English. People adapt languages because of
> >convenience. Imagine, had you been a villager of
> >Assam, would you care to learn English? Or say if
> you
> >spend most of your life in Delhi or UP, can you
> avoid
> >learnig Hindi even though you might be a Hindi
> hater?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>>>The issue under discussion is : "India is the
> >country that was never expected to ever be a
> country".
> >
> >The above point which some historians are trying to
> >make is this.
> >First India was never such a big united country as
> it
> 
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From: Krishnendu Chakraborty <krish_gau at yahoo.com>
To: assam at assamnet.org
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:22:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

> The pre British aggresions took place only in the
> North West India , in 
> Punjab upto Delhi.

Read your post again Rajenda. "the South was never
under any Indian kings
except to some extent under the Moghols." (It is in
fact incorrect that South never came under Indian king
before Mughal). History says that a large part of
South as well as East India was under Mughals during
their peak.

> Why the Indian could not fight back?

India is a Sovereign country because they fought back
... unlike Native Americans who could not.

> And the British never actually attacked India.
> The British were just happened to be there when
> India was falling apart-at 
> least that is one way of looking at things.

Please re-read History. Battle of Plassey, batle with
Tipu ..... 




> 
> >BTW, had there not been numerous aggresions (by
> >Mughal, Brits etc) India would probably have been
> in
> >a much larger country
> 
> The pre British aggresions took place only in the
> North West India , in 
> Punjab upto Delhi.
> What prevented the rest of India to stand on its
> own?
> I can't understand why Indians always blame its own
> downfall on foreign 
> aggtressions in the north.
> Why the Indian could not fight back?
> And the British never actually attacked India.
> The British were just happened to be there when
> India was falling apart-at 
> least that is one way of looking at things.
> Read history.
> You must find your own answer what happened in
> Indian history.
> Rajenda
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:07 PM
> Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi-
> Bengal democracy
> 
> 
> >>>>>Had it not been for the British colonial
> > enterprise, there would NOT
> > be any India.
> >
> > ***** Replace the word India with America or
> Canada
> > or Australia and see how true it is !!!
> >
> > BTW, had there not been numerous aggresions (by
> > Mughal, Brits etc) India would probably have been
> in
> > a much larger country
> >
> >>>>>India is united
> >
> >
> >>>>Heh-heh!!!!
> >
> > **** Except for a couple of hundred terrorists and
> one
> > or two NRAs, others agree ... "India is United"
> ..
> > as I asked you earlier ... show me 10 prominent
> > Assamese who are willing to separate from India...
> > unfortunately you could not :(
> >
> >
> >>>>>India is united just because of English is an
> > absurd logic.
> >
> >
> >>>>*** It would be absurd only to those who are
> unable
> > to deal with reality.
> >
> > Had it not been for the British colonial
> enterprise,
> > there would NOT
> > be any India. And Indians today would not be able
> to
> > communicate with
> > each other without English, and thus pretend it is
> a
> > nation.
> >
> >
> >>India is united
> >
> >
> > Heh-heh!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> 
> 
> 
> > From: umesh sharma 
> To: assam at assamnet.org
> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Assam] Yoga heals ??? Harvard, Duke, ,
> Columbia , Boston U - Oprah
> 
>
http://www.oprah.com/health/omag/health_omag_200710_yoga_101.jhtml
> 
> Depression
> 
> Low brain levels of the neurotransmitter GABA are
> often found in people with depression; SSRIs,
> electroconvulsive therapy, and now yoga, it seems,
> can boost GABA. Preliminary research out of the
> Boston University School of Medicine and Harvard's
> McLean Hospital found that healthy subjects who
> practiced yoga for one hour had a 27 percent
> increase in levels of GABA compared with a control
> group that simply sat and read for an hour. This
> supports a growing body of research that's proving
> yoga can significantly improve mood and reduce the
> symptoms of depression and anxiety.
> 
> 
> Heart Disease
> 
> Several trials have found that yoga can lower blood
> pressure, cholesterol, and resting heart rates, and
> help slow the progression of atherosclerosis—all
> risk factors for heart disease, says Erin Olivo,
> PhD, director of Columbia University's Integrative
> Medicine Program.
> 
> While almost any exercise is good for the heart,
> experts speculate yoga's meditative component may
> give it an extra boost by helping to stabilize the
> endothelium, the lining of the blood vessels that,
> when irritated, contributes to cardiovascular
> disease. Since the lining is reactive to stress, and
> meditation can lower stress hormones, yoga may be
> causing a cascade of events that could reduce your
> risk of a heart attack or stroke.
> 
> 
> Breast Cancer
> 
> Research is becoming clear on this: Women who do
> yoga during and after treatment experience less
> physical discomfort and stress. Earlier this year
> Duke University scientists reported results of a
> pilot study in which women with metastatic breast
> cancer attended eight weekly yoga sessions. The
> doctors found that the women had much less pain and
> felt more energetic and relaxed.
> 
> 
> Menopause
> 
> A preliminary study at the University of
> California, San Francisco, found that menopausal
> women who took two months of a weekly restorative
> yoga class, which uses props to support the
> postures, reported a 30 percent decrease in hot
> flashes. A four-month study at the University of
> Illinois found that many women who took a 90-minute
> Iyengar class twice a week boosted both their energy
> and mood; plus they reported less physical and
> sexual discomfort, and reduced stress and anxiety.
> 
> Chronic Back Pain
> 
> When doctors at the HMO Group Health Cooperative in
> Seattle pitted 12 weekly sessions of yoga against
> therapeutic exercises and a handbook on self-care,
> they discovered the yoga group not only showed
> greater improvement but experienced benefits lasting
> 14 weeks longer. A note of caution: "While many
> poses are helpful, seated postures or extreme
> movement in one direction can make back pain worse,"
> says Gary Kraftsow, author of Yoga for Wellness, who
> designed the program for the study.
> 
> 
> Umesh Sharma
> 
> Washington D.C. 
> 
> 1-202-215-4328 [Cell]
> 
> Ed.M. - International Education Policy
> Harvard Graduate School of Education,
> Harvard University,
> Class of 2005
> 
> http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu
> info)
> 
> http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used
> )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone
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> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
> from around the world
> 
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:59:15 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> I hope when people discuss such types of things, it
> is better to verify various linguistic survey where
> district wise data has given. We need need to imagin
> anything for argument. 
> 
> Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: In a
> federalistic system, the state decides how it wants
> to run its business -- right?
> In a few years states like Texas, Florida and
> Arizona will see Hispanic population as the
> majority, with Spanish used as the other language
> for running official business definitely, and may be
> other businesses too if they turn out to be
> import/export only. If the majority in a state
> decides to use Spanish for its business, won't the
> citizens of that state need Spanish to get ahead?
> 
> In India, Hindi is spoken by more and more
> Indians. When I lived in India it was rare to find a
> person in the South speaking Hindi. When I interact
> with Indians working with us on global projects, I
> find even Indians from the South speak fluent Hindi.
> Where they learnt I don't know and I don't know if
> they were forced to learn.
> Dilip
> 
> Chan Mahanta wrote:
> 
> 
> >It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen.
> 
> 
> *** Does that mean that unless an American learns
> Spanish, she might not be able to get ahead when
> that time arrives?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *** And to extend the logic, will one have to
> learn Hindi to get ahead in India pretty soon, 
> unless it is already so?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:39 PM -0700 9/28/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
> If you leave out the Hispanics, you can say it is
> one language in USA. As we all know, USA will have
> to face the issue of two rival languages very soon. 
> Also USA does not have an official language. The
> reign of English as the language is due to the fact
> that all immigrants had to learn the language to get
> ahead. It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen. Dilip
> 
> barua25 wrote:
> It is all one mother tongue, one language here.
> Not like India as a whole administered by a foreign
> language: English.
> Barua
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:12 AM
> Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> 
> Rajen-da
> >>First India was never such a big united country as
> it is now.
> 
> **** Applying this logic, even US should be termed
> as
> a country that was never expected to ever be a
> country. Apart from European colonization the wars,
> grabbing of land from Native Americans and Speniards
> continued till late 19th century (source:
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA#Native_Americans_and_European_settlers).
> Same goes true for Canada (even may be Australia).
> 
> 
> >>>>> First India was never such a big united
> country
> as it is now.
> Even during the British Raj, there were many many
> independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where
> prsent
> India is.
> Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
> except to some extent under the Moghols.
> 
> ***** The map I see in wiki
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_dynasty) shows
> that almost entire south barring present TN and
> Kerala
> was under Mauryas.
> 
> Coming to point of Assam, Kamrup historically had a
> very close tie with rest of India ... reference
> Mahabharat. Culturally too, think about Krishna --
> Kalika Purana mentions that the last of the
> Naraka-bhauma rulers, Narak, was slained by Krishna.
> 
> As for never being ruled by any Indian King, the
> argument is same as I mentioned for US or Canada or
> many other countries.
> 
> 
> >>>>>> The Indian situation is same. It is one
> country because of one foreign language: English.
> Thus
> the historians have a point. Today, take away the
> English language fron India, the Indian democracy
> will
> collapese overnight.
> 
> ***** This is a very new argument ... never heard
> this argument earlier! How many people in villages
> of
> India do you think can speak English ... I am not
> talking about proficient but at least Pigin English?
> A guess will be less then half of Indian Population
> speaks English. People adapt languages because of
> convenience. Imagine, had you been a villager of
> Assam, would you care to learn English? Or say if
> you
> spend most of your life in Delhi or UP, can you
> avoid
> learnig Hindi even though you might be a Hindi
> hater?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>>The issue under discussion is : "India is the
> country that was never expected to ever be a
> country".
> 
> The above point which some historians are trying to
> make is this.
> First India was never such a big united country as
> it
> is now.
> Even during the British Raj, there were many many
> independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where
> prsent
> India is.
> Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
> except to some extent under the Moghols.
> Then the Marathas were also out.
> Old Kamrup, that is present Assam and NE were never
> under any Indian kings, nor under Ashok, nor under
> the
> Guptas, nor under the Moghols. This came under India
> only under the British.
> 
> Today India is one country not because of any unity
> but because of its diversity which cannot be defined
> under any political science.
> Imagnice Europe under one country because of one
> foreign language (say) Hindi. Can one imagine? The
> Indian situation is same. It is one country because
> of one foreign language: English. Thus the
> historians
> have a point. Today, take away the English language
> fron India, the Indian democracy will collapese
> overnight.
> That is the point.
> Barua
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty" yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:45 AM
> Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> 
> Rajenda
> 
> What can be the point here.
> 
> 
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> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:47:44 +0100
> Subject: [Assam] Oh yes, THIRTYFIVE minutes to reach
> Beijing by the Indian
> Air Force;
> on the THIRTY SIXTH minute Assam likely to be
> leveled flat, UNLESS
> unilateral declaration of Independence of Assam
> reaches the
> United Nations in time.
> 
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> NEW DELHI: As part of the counter-measures against
> the Chinese build-up of
> military infrastructure in the Tibet Autonomous
> Region and south China,
> India will progressively base squadrons of its most
> potent fighter
> Sukhoi-30MKIs in the eastern sector from 2008-2009
> onwards.
> 
> "The first two squadrons, with 36 fighters, will be
> based at Tezpur airbase.
> The MiG-21s at Tezpur were phased out earlier this
> month. Now, the runway at
> the airbase will undergo a renovation, coupled with
> an infrastructure
> upgrade to house the Sukhois," said an IAF officer.
> The move is significant
> since the multi-role Sukhoi 'air dominance'
> fighters, which have a cruising
> speed of 3,200 km, can strike targets deep inside
> China after taking off
> from Tezpur.
> 
> "Sukhois, which carry almost eight tonnes of
> armaments, have immense
> strategic capabilities. Moreover, with air-to-air
> refuelling by IL-78
> tankers, their radius of operations can be further
> enhanced to around 8,000
> km," said the officer.
> 
> The Sukhois and the 3,500-km-plus nuclear-capable
> Agni-III missile, which
> will be ready for operational deployment by 2010,
> constitute a crucial part
> of the "affordable deterrence" posture against
> China. In addition to Tezpur,
> IAF is also in the process of upgrading its other
> airbases in the eastern
> sector, apart from augmenting its network of ADDCs
> (air defence directional
> centres) and JADCs (joint air defence centres).
> 
> Incidentally, the People's Liberation Army (Air
> Force) has established at
> least four airbases in Tibet and three in south
> China to mount operations
> against India. But since these bases are located at
> an average height of
> 10,000 feet, the weapon-carrying load of Chinese
> fighters is somewhat
> restricted.
> 
> India, on its part, has so far based its Sukhois
> only at Pune and Bareilly,
> though they have operated from as diverse places as
> the Andaman and Nicobar
> Islands and Halwara. But now, the IAF is earmarking
> important airbases to
> position future Sukhoi squadrons to keep pace with
> fresh deliveries from
> Russia and the ongoing indigenous production. India
> is on course to acquire
> 40 more Sukhois from Russia in a $1.6-billion deal,
> apart from the 190 such
> fighters already contracted, as reported earlier.
> 
> Faced with a depletion in fighter squadron strength,
> the government has also
> directed Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd to finish the
> manufacture of the 140
> Sukhois (of the initial 190) by 2013-2014, instead
> of the originally
> scheduled 2017-2018.
> > From: SANDIP DUTTA 

> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
> from around the world
> 
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:55:58 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> Hindi movies are equally popular in Karnataka and
> Andhra. In TN also the situation is changing. I have
> two-three tamil colleaugues who speak pretty good
> Hindi though they never stepped out of TN before
> getting a job. They say they learnt voluntarily from
> Hindi Pracharak Samitis.
> 
> Rgds,
> Sandip
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: biswajeet saikia 
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
> from around the world 
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:59:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> I hope when people discuss such types of things, it
> is better to verify various linguistic survey where
> district wise data has given. We need need to imagin
> anything for argument. 
> 
> Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
> In a federalistic system, the state decides how it
> wants to run its business -- right?
> In a few years states like Texas, Florida and
> Arizona will see Hispanic population as the
> majority, with Spanish used as the other language
> for running official business definitely, and may be
> other businesses too if they turn out to be
> import/export only. If the majority in a state
> decides to use Spanish for its business, won't the
> citizens of that state need Spanish to get ahead?
> 
> In India, Hindi is spoken by more and more Indians.
> When I lived in India it was rare to find a person
> in the South speaking Hindi. When I interact with
> Indians working with us on global projects, I find
> even Indians from the South speak fluent Hindi.
> Where they learnt I don't know and I don't know if
> they were forced to learn.
> Dilip
> 
> Chan Mahanta wrote:
> 
> 
> >It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen.
> 
> 
> *** Does that mean that unless an American learns
> Spanish, she might not be able to get ahead when
> that time arrives?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *** And to extend the logic, will one have to learn
> Hindi to get ahead in India pretty soon, unless it
> is already so?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:39 PM -0700 9/28/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
> If you leave out the Hispanics, you can say it is
> one language in USA. As we all know, USA will have
> to face the issue of two rival languages very soon.
> 
> Also USA does not have an official language. The
> reign of English as the language is due to the fact
> that all immigrants had to learn the language to get
> ahead. It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen.
> Dilip
> 
> barua25 wrote:
> 
> It is all one mother tongue, one language here.
> Not like India as a whole administered by a foreign
> language: English.
> Barua
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:12 AM
> Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary

=== message truncated ===From: "barua25" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world"
<assam at assamnet.org>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:55:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

        Read it again.
  What is the difference between what I say (red) and what you say (blue).
  I think you are confused about the meaning of the English words  'before' and 'under'. These are two different words with two different meanings. 
  Rajenda
   
  ----- Original Message -----   From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty" <krish_gau at yahoo.com>
  To: <assam at assamnet.org>
  Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:22 AM
  Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi- Bengal democracy

  

  > The pre British aggresions took place only in the
> North West India , in 
> Punjab upto Delhi.

Read your post again Rajenda.  "the South was never under any Indian kings except to some extent under the Moghols." 
   
  (It is in fact incorrect that South never came under Indian king before Mughal).  History says that a large part of South 
  as well as East India was under Mughals during their peak.

> Why the Indian could not fight back?

India is a Sovereign country because they fought back
... unlike Native Americans who could not.
   
  When was India a soverign country?
  What was the name of the country?
  If the Indians fought back, then what seems to be problem?
  

> And the British never actually attacked India.
> The British were just happened to be there when
> India was falling apart-at 
> least that is one way of looking at things.

Please re-read History.  Battle of Plassey, batle with
Tipu ..... 




> 
> >BTW,  had there not been numerous aggresions (by
> >Mughal, Brits etc)  India would probably have been
> in
> >a much larger country
> 
> The pre British aggresions took place only in the
> North West India , in 
> Punjab upto Delhi.
> What prevented the rest of India to stand on its
> own?
> I can't understand why Indians always blame its own
> downfall on foreign 
> aggtressions in the north.
> Why the Indian could not fight back?
> And the British never actually attacked India.
> The British were just happened to be there when
> India was falling apart-at 
> least that is one way of looking at things.
> Read history.
> You must find your own answer what happened in
> Indian history.
> Rajenda
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty" <krish_gau at yahoo.com>
> To: <assam at assamnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:07 PM
> Subject: [Assam] Book review : India After Gandhi-
> Bengal democracy
> 
> 
> >>>>>Had it not been for the British  colonial
> > enterprise, there would NOT
> > be any India.
> >
> > *****  Replace the word India with America or
> Canada
> > or Australia and see how true it is !!!
> >
> > BTW,  had there not been numerous aggresions (by
> > Mughal, Brits etc)  India would probably have been
> in
> > a much larger country
> >
> >>>>>India is united
> >
> >
> >>>>Heh-heh!!!!
> >
> > **** Except for a couple of hundred terrorists and
> one
> > or two NRAs,  others agree ... "India is United"
> ..
> > as I asked you earlier ... show me 10 prominent
> > Assamese who are willing to separate from India...
> > unfortunately you could not :(
> >
> >
> >>>>>India is united just because of English  is an
> > absurd logic.
> >
> >
> >>>>*** It would be absurd only to those who are
> unable
> > to deal with reality.
> >
> > Had it not been for the British  colonial
> enterprise,
> > there would NOT
> > be any India. And Indians today would not be able
> to
> > communicate with
> > each other without English, and thus pretend it is
> a
> > nation.
> >
> >
> >>India is united
> >
> >
> > Heh-heh!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
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> sell.
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> > assam at assamnet.org
> >
>
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> > 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com>
> To: assam at assamnet.org
> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Assam] Yoga heals ??? Harvard, Duke, ,
> Columbia , Boston U - Oprah
> 
>
http://www.oprah.com/health/omag/health_omag_200710_yoga_101.jhtml
> 
> Depression
> 
>  Low brain levels of the neurotransmitter GABA are
> often found in people with depression; SSRIs,
> electroconvulsive therapy, and now yoga, it seems,
> can boost GABA. Preliminary research out of the
> Boston University School of Medicine and Harvard's
> McLean Hospital found that healthy subjects who
> practiced yoga for one hour had a 27 percent
> increase in levels of GABA compared with a control
> group that simply sat and read for an hour. This
> supports a growing body of research that's proving
> yoga can significantly improve mood and reduce the
> symptoms of depression and anxiety.
> 
> 
> Heart Disease
> 
>  Several trials have found that yoga can lower blood
> pressure, cholesterol, and resting heart rates, and
> help slow the progression of atherosclerosis-all
> risk factors for heart disease, says Erin Olivo,
> PhD, director of Columbia University's Integrative
> Medicine Program.
> 
>  While almost any exercise is good for the heart,
> experts speculate yoga's meditative component may
> give it an extra boost by helping to stabilize the
> endothelium, the lining of the blood vessels that,
> when irritated, contributes to cardiovascular
> disease. Since the lining is reactive to stress, and
> meditation can lower stress hormones, yoga may be
> causing a cascade of events that could reduce your
> risk of a heart attack or stroke.
> 
> 
> Breast Cancer
> 
>  Research is becoming clear on this: Women who do
> yoga during and after treatment experience less
> physical discomfort and stress. Earlier this year
> Duke University scientists reported results of a
> pilot study in which women with metastatic breast
> cancer attended eight weekly yoga sessions. The
> doctors found that the women had much less pain and
> felt more energetic and relaxed.
> 
> 
> Menopause
> 
>  A preliminary study at the University of
> California, San Francisco, found that menopausal
> women who took two months of a weekly restorative
> yoga class, which uses props to support the
> postures, reported a 30 percent decrease in hot
> flashes. A four-month study at the University of
> Illinois found that many women who took a 90-minute
> Iyengar class twice a week boosted both their energy
> and mood; plus they reported less physical and
> sexual discomfort, and reduced stress and anxiety.
> 
> Chronic Back Pain
> 
>  When doctors at the HMO Group Health Cooperative in
> Seattle pitted 12 weekly sessions of yoga against
> therapeutic exercises and a handbook on self-care,
> they discovered the yoga group not only showed
> greater improvement but experienced benefits lasting
> 14 weeks longer. A note of caution: "While many
> poses are helpful, seated postures or extreme
> movement in one direction can make back pain worse,"
> says Gary Kraftsow, author of Yoga for Wellness, who
> designed the program for the study.
>   
> 
> Umesh Sharma
> 
> Washington D.C. 
> 
> 1-202-215-4328 [Cell]
> 
> Ed.M. - International Education Policy
> Harvard Graduate School of Education,
> Harvard University,
> Class of 2005
> 
> http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu
> info)
> 
> http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> www.gse.harvard.edu/iep  (where the above 2 are used
> )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/
>        
> ---------------------------------
>  Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone
> who knows. Tryit now.> From: biswajeet saikia
<biswajeetsaikia at yahoo.com>
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
> from around the world
> <assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:59:15 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> I hope when people discuss such types of things, it
> is better to verify various  linguistic survey where
> district wise data has given. We need need to imagin
> anything for argument. 
> 
> Dilip/Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote: In a
> federalistic system, the state decides how it wants
> to run its business -- right?
>   In a few years states like Texas, Florida and
> Arizona will see Hispanic population as the
> majority, with Spanish used as the other language
> for running official business definitely, and may be
> other businesses too if they turn out to be
> import/export only. If the majority in a state
> decides to use Spanish for its business, won't the
> citizens of that state need Spanish to get ahead?
>    
>   In India, Hindi is spoken by more and more
> Indians. When I lived in India it was rare to find a
> person in the South speaking Hindi. When I interact
> with Indians working with us on global projects, I
> find even Indians from the South speak fluent Hindi.
> Where they learnt I don't know and I don't know if
> they were forced to learn.
>   Dilip
> 
> Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>         
> 
>   >It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen.
>   
> 
>   *** Does that mean that unless an American learns
> Spanish, she might not be able to get ahead when
> that time arrives?
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   *** And to extend the logic, will one have to
> learn Hindi to get ahead  in India pretty soon, 
> unless it is already so?
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   At 12:39 PM -0700 9/28/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
>   If you leave out the Hispanics, you can say it is
> one language in USA. As we all know, USA will  have
> to face the issue of two rival languages very soon. 
>    Also USA does not have an official language. The
> reign of English as the language is due to the fact
> that all immigrants had to learn the language to get
> ahead. It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen.  Dilip
> 
> barua25 <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>   It is all one mother tongue, one language here.
> Not like India as a whole administered by a foreign
> language: English.
> Barua
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:12 AM
> Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> 
> Rajen-da
> >>First India was never such a big united country as
> it is now.
> 
> **** Applying this logic, even US should be termed
> as
> a  country that was never expected to ever be a
> country. Apart from European colonization the wars,
> grabbing of land from Native Americans and Speniards
> continued till late 19th century (source:
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA#Native_Americans_and_European_settlers).
> Same goes true for Canada (even may be Australia).
> 
> 
> >>>>> First India was never such a big united
> country
> as it is now.
> Even during the British Raj, there were many many
> independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where
> prsent
> India is.
> Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
> except to some extent under the Moghols.
> 
> ***** The map I see in wiki
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_dynasty) shows
> that almost entire south barring present TN and
> Kerala
> was under Mauryas.
> 
> Coming to point of Assam, Kamrup historically had a
> very close tie with rest of India .. reference
> Mahabharat. Culturally too, think about  Krishna --
> Kalika Purana mentions that the last of the
> Naraka-bhauma rulers, Narak, was slained by Krishna.
> 
> As for never being ruled by any Indian King, the
> argument is same as I mentioned for US or Canada or
> many other countries.
> 
> 
> >>>>>> The Indian situation is same. It is one
> country because of one foreign language: English.
> Thus
> the historians have a point. Today, take away the
> English language fron India, the Indian democracy
> will
> collapese overnight.
> 
> ***** This is a very new argument ... never heard
> this argument earlier! How many people in villages
> of
> India do you think can speak English ... I am not
> talking about proficient but at least Pigin English?
> A guess will be less then half of Indian Population
> speaks English. People adapt languages because of
> convenience. Imagine, had you been a villager of
> Assam, would you care to learn English? Or say if
> you
> spend most of your life  in Delhi or UP, can you
> avoid
> learnig Hindi even though you might be a Hindi
> hater?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>>The issue under discussion is : "India is the
> country that was never expected to ever be a
> country".
> 
> The above point which some historians are trying to
> make is this.
> First India was never such a big united country as
> it
> is now.
> Even during the British Raj, there were many many
> independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where
> prsent
> India is.
> Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
> except to some extent under the Moghols.
> Then the Marathas were also out.
> Old Kamrup, that is present Assam and NE were never
> under any Indian kings, nor under Ashok, nor under
> the
> Guptas, nor under the Moghols. This came under India
> only under the British.
> 
> Today India is one country not because of any unity
> but because of its diversity which cannot be defined
> under any political  science.
>   Imagnice Europe under one country because of one
> foreign language (say) Hindi. Can one imagine? The
> Indian situation is same. It is one country because
> of one foreign language: English. Thus the
> historians
> have a point. Today, take away the English language
> fron India, the Indian democracy will collapese
> overnight.
> That is the point.
> Barua
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty" yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:45 AM
> Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> 
> Rajenda
> 
> What can be the point here.
> 
> 
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> To: AssamNet <assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:47:44 +0100
> Subject: [Assam] Oh yes, THIRTYFIVE minutes to reach
> Beijing by the Indian
> Air Force;
> on the THIRTY SIXTH minute Assam likely to be
> leveled flat, UNLESS
> unilateral declaration of Independence of Assam
> reaches the
> United Nations in time.
> 
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> NEW DELHI: As part of the counter-measures against
> the Chinese build-up of
> military infrastructure in the Tibet Autonomous
> Region and south China,
> India will progressively base squadrons of its most
> potent fighter
> Sukhoi-30MKIs in the eastern sector from 2008-2009
> onwards.
> 
> "The first two squadrons, with 36 fighters, will be
> based at Tezpur airbase.
> The MiG-21s at Tezpur were phased out earlier this
> month. Now, the runway at
> the airbase will undergo a renovation, coupled with
> an infrastructure
> upgrade to house the Sukhois," said an IAF officer.
> The move is significant
> since the multi-role Sukhoi 'air dominance'
> fighters, which have a cruising
> speed of 3,200 km, can strike targets deep inside
> China after taking off
> from Tezpur.
> 
> "Sukhois, which carry almost eight tonnes of
> armaments, have immense
> strategic capabilities. Moreover, with air-to-air
> refuelling by IL-78
> tankers, their radius of operations can be further
> enhanced to around 8,000
> km," said the officer.
> 
> The Sukhois and the 3,500-km-plus nuclear-capable
> Agni-III missile, which
> will be ready for operational deployment by 2010,
> constitute a crucial part
> of the "affordable deterrence" posture against
> China. In addition to Tezpur,
> IAF is also in the process of upgrading its other
> airbases in the eastern
> sector, apart from augmenting its network of ADDCs
> (air defence directional
> centres) and JADCs (joint air defence centres).
> 
> Incidentally, the People's Liberation Army (Air
> Force) has established at
> least four airbases in Tibet and three in south
> China to mount operations
> against India. But since these bases are located at
> an average height of
> 10,000 feet, the weapon-carrying load of Chinese
> fighters is somewhat
> restricted.
> 
> India, on its part, has so far based its Sukhois
> only at Pune and Bareilly,
> though they have operated from as diverse places as
> the Andaman and Nicobar
> Islands and Halwara. But now, the IAF is earmarking
> important airbases to
> position future Sukhoi squadrons to keep pace with
> fresh deliveries from
> Russia and the ongoing indigenous production. India
> is on course to acquire
> 40 more Sukhois from Russia in a $1.6-billion deal,
> apart from the 190 such
> fighters already contracted, as reported earlier.
> 
> Faced with a depletion in fighter squadron strength,
> the government has also
> directed Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd to finish the
> manufacture of the 140
> Sukhois (of the initial 190) by 2013-2014, instead
> of the originally
> scheduled 2017-2018.
> > From: SANDIP DUTTA <pseude at yahoo.com>
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
> from around the world
> <assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:55:58 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> Hindi movies are equally popular in Karnataka and
> Andhra. In TN also the situation is changing. I have
> two-three tamil colleaugues who speak pretty good
> Hindi though they never stepped out of TN before
> getting a job. They say they learnt voluntarily from
> Hindi Pracharak Samitis.
> 
> Rgds,
> Sandip
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: biswajeet saikia <biswajeetsaikia at yahoo.com>
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
> from around the world <assam at assamnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:59:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> I hope when people discuss such types of things, it
> is better to verify various  linguistic survey where
> district wise data has given. We need need to imagin
> anything for argument. 
> 
> Dilip/Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
> In a federalistic system, the state decides how it
> wants to run its business -- right?
> In a few years states like Texas, Florida and
> Arizona will see Hispanic population as the
> majority, with Spanish used as the other language
> for running official business definitely, and may be
> other businesses too if they turn out to be
> import/export only. If the majority in a state
> decides to use Spanish for its business, won't the
> citizens of that state need Spanish to get ahead?
>  
> In India, Hindi is spoken by more and more Indians.
> When I lived in India it was rare to find a person
> in the South speaking Hindi. When I interact with
> Indians working with us on global projects, I find
> even Indians from the South speak fluent Hindi.
> Where they learnt I don't know and I don't know if
> they were forced to learn.
> Dilip
> 
> Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> >It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen.
> 
> 
> *** Does that mean that unless an American learns
> Spanish, she might not be able to get ahead when
> that time arrives?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *** And to extend the logic, will one have to learn
> Hindi to get ahead  in India pretty soon,  unless it
> is already so?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:39 PM -0700 9/28/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
> If you leave out the Hispanics, you can say it is
> one language in USA. As we all know, USA will have
> to face the issue of two rival languages very soon.
>  
> Also USA does not have an official language. The
> reign of English as the language is due to the fact
> that all immigrants had to learn the language to get
> ahead. It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen.
> Dilip
> 
> barua25 <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It is all one mother tongue, one language here.
> Not like India as a whole administered by a foreign
> language: English.
> Barua
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:12 AM
> Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> 
> Rajen-da
> >>First India was never such a big united country as
> it is now.
> 
> **** Applying this logic, even US should be termed
> as
> a country that was never expected to ever be a
> country. Apart from European colonization the wars,
> grabbing of land from Native Americans and Speniards
> continued till late 19th century (source:
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA#Native_Americans_and_European_settlers).
> Same goes true for Canada (even may be Australia).
> 
> 
> >>>>> First India was never such a big united
> country
> as it is now.
> Even during the British Raj, there were many many
> independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where
> prsent
> India is.
> Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
> except to some extent under the Moghols.
> 
> ***** The map I see in wiki
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_dynasty) shows
> that almost entire south barring present TN and
> Kerala
> was under Mauryas.
> 
> Coming to point of Assam, Kamrup historically had a
> very close tie with rest of India .. reference
> Mahabharat. Culturally too, think about Krishna --
> Kalika Purana mentions that the last of the
> Naraka-bhauma rulers, Narak, was slained by Krishna.
> 
> As for never being ruled by any Indian King, the
> argument is same as I mentioned for US or Canada or
> many other countries.
> 
> 
> >>>>>> The Indian situation is same. It is one
> country because of one foreign language: English.
> Thus
> the historians have a point. Today, take away the
> English language fron India, the Indian democracy
> will
> collapese overnight.
> 
> ***** This is a very new argument ... never heard
> this argument earlier! How many people in villages
> of
> India do you think can speak English ... I am not
> talking about proficient but at least Pigin English?
> A guess will be less then half of Indian Population
> speaks English. People adapt languages because of
> convenience. Imagine, had you been a villager of
> Assam, would you care to learn English? Or say if
> you
> spend most of your life in Delhi or UP, can you
> avoid
> learnig Hindi even though you might be a Hindi
> hater?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>>The issue under discussion is : "India is the
> country that was never expected to ever be a
> country".
> 
> The above point which some historians are trying to
> make is this.
> First India was never such a big united country as
> it
> is now.
> Even during the British Raj, there were many many
> independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where
> prsent
> India is.
> Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
> except to some extent under the Moghols.
> Then the Marathas were also out.
> Old Kamrup, that is present Assam and NE were never
> under any Indian kings, nor under Ashok, nor under
> the
> Guptas, nor under the Moghols. This came under India
> only under the British.
> 
> Today India is one country not because of any unity
> but because of its diversity which cannot be defined
> under any political science.
> 
> 
=== message truncated ===> From: shantikam hazarika
<shntikamhaz at hotmail.com>
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
> from around the world
> <assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:13:00 +0530
> Subject: [Assam] (no subject)
> 
> 
> Utpal Borpujari had written a heavy note with his
> posers for ULFA and I was apprehensive about how
> ULFA would react. My apprehensions been proved
> correct. The replies that ULFA has put in blue
> colour in the original writing of Utpal make very
> little sense and displays the vacuity in ULFA's
> level of thinking. In fact, each and every response
> from ULFA in the net, meagre though they have been
> so far, shows their utter ineptness. No doubt, they
> are avoiding direct talks so far. Just imagine, when
> they sit for talks, with the level of arguments that
> they have provided to uphold their cause so far, how
> much they would reach? No doubt, in this particular
> case, they start with the response maybe Last if you
> try to misuse.  You can be sure they would run away
> from this discussion any time now. Your Heritage is
> your asset-use for Assam's happinessWhat do you make
> out of this? Utpal stated "Does this mean that in
> ULFA's map of Assam, Bhutan/Arunachal
> Pradesh/Nagaland/ Manipur/Mizoram are all included
> as an integral part of Assam? Asking because between
> Assam & Tibet are Bhutan & Arunachal, between Assam
> & Yunnan is Arunachal, and between Assam and 'Maan'
> are Arunachal/Nagaland/ Mainpur/Mizoram. And the
> southern borders do not mention Bangladesh.Can we
> have an image of the independent Assam that ULFA
> wants?" ULFA replied: You just stated it. Not ULFA -
> but by all living therein. Again, not easy to make
> out what they mean. I can only deduce that ULFA's
> independent Assam will include Bhutan, Arunachal
> Pradesh, Manipur, Nagaland etc and nothing is
> definite about Bangladesh. As they say, "Mantabya
> Nisproyojan." Everybody Working ,learning, eating
> ,living in 21st century's best place  on earth to
> live-guided by worthy good people.We ll this seems
> to be ULFA's economic model for Independent Assam.
> God bless my country and my countrymen.For that
> matter, anyone who can make sense out of the
> following responses, please take the trouble of
> enlighting me. These are bored employees killing
> themselves in hundreds.they come and  they go
> settlers Ask your blood brothersdemocracy? After
> course has been RESETAny FILM /TV/PAPER STORIES are
> total waste and Monkey business. Assamese need to
> throw these out as garbage. We will Elevate them to
> heightsIs there a possibility There IS of ULFA
> extending the ban to literature, dance and other art
> forms from outside?There is a possibility that
> ULFA's role model is Aurangzeb.Utpal had asked " 12.
> What are your views on NSCN-IM's demand for Greater
> Nagalim which includes parts of Assam , Arunachal
> and Manipur? All  Assam   will be their own."W e
> thought ULFA has sold out to Bangladesh. It seems
> that contract is with NSCN-IM. These are just a
> dozen. If I have more, I will send them in my next
> mail. Plz. Do not.So the escape hatch is already
> open. 99.999% Assamese Expect us to productive work.
> Journalists need no coaching
> ,spoonfeeding.Productive work eh? I think any more
> comments would be super farcical. Shantikam Hazarika
> On 9/27/07, ulfa_ 1979April7
> <ulfa_1979april7 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I fully agree with Mrinal that for the first time
> maybe Last if you try to misuse , at least one
> section of Assamese (those with access to the
> Internet and part of this e-group) are being able to
> have a direct interaction with Ruby Bhuyan (or as
> Mrinal says, a person assuming the identity of Ruby
> Bhuyan since the original RB has already surrendered
> quite sometime back), and through 'her', the ULFA.
> So, let both sides 
> 
> Shantikam Hazarika
> Director, 
> Assam Institute of Management
> PO Box 30, GUWAHATI 781001, India
> HOME PAGE: www.aimguwahati.edu.in 
>
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> http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-in> From: biswajit
barooah <biswajitbarooah at yahoo.com>
> To: assam at assamnet.org
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:22:54 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Assam] Namdangor Silar sako
> 
> 
> 
> Note: forwarded message attached.
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> From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org
> To: biswajitbarooah at yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:50:49 -0500
> 
> The results of your email command are provided
> below. Attached is your
> original message.
> 
> - Results:
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> 
> - Unprocessed:
>     What will be the future of Stone bridge of
> Namdung in Sivasagar district, popularly known as
> 'Namdungor Silar Sako'? Please read an article in
> the News page of brahmaputratimes.com and send your
> feedback to the Editor. I think we should do
> something to protect and safeguard this heritage
> monument built in the glorious years of Assam.
> Should we approach the court by way of filing a writ
> petition for a direction to the Govt.like the Taj
> corridor case?
>     Thanks
>     Biswajit Barooah
>     ---------------------------------
>     Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! -
> their life, your story.
>      Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. 
> 
> - Done.
> 
> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:50:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: biswajit barooah <biswajitbarooah at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Namdungor Silar Sako'
> To: assam-request at assamnet.org
> 
> Hello,
> What will be the future of Stone bridge of Namdung
> in Sivasagar district, popularly known as 'Namdungor
> Silar Sako'? Please read an article in the News page
> of brahmaputratimes.com and send your feedback to
> the Editor. I think we should do something to
> protect and safeguard this heritage monument built
> in the glorious years of Assam. Should we approach
> the court by way of filing a writ petition for a
> direction to the Govt.like the Taj corridor case?
> Thanks
> Biswajit Barooah
>        
> ---------------------------------
> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! -
> their life, your story.
>  Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > From: Chan
Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
> from around the
> world <assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:44:13 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> 
> 
> Hindi movies are very popular in Abu Dhabi, Egypt
> and Albania too.
> 
> Putting two and two together, like the desi 
> knowledge brigade so clearly project, we can 
> fairly assume that  pretty soon the whole world 
> will change over to Hindi.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 3:55 AM -0700 9/30/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
> >Hindi movies are equally popular in Karnataka 
> >and Andhra. In TN also the situation is 
> >changing. I have two-three tamil colleaugues who 
> >speak pretty good Hindi though they never 
> >stepped out of TN before getting a job. They say 
> >they learnt voluntarily from Hindi Pracharak 
> >Samitis.
> >
> >Rgds,
> >Sandip
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: biswajeet saikia <biswajeetsaikia at yahoo.com>
> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in 
> >Assam from around the world <assam at assamnet.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:59:15 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> >
> >I hope when people discuss such types of things, 
> >it is better to verify various  linguistic 
> >survey where district wise data has given. We 
> >need need to imagin anything for argument.
> >
> >Dilip/Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >In a federalistic system, the state decides how 
> >it wants to run its business -- right?
> >In a few years states like Texas, Florida and 
> >Arizona will see Hispanic population as the 
> >majority, with Spanish used as the other 
> >language for running official business 
> >definitely, and may be other businesses too if 
> >they turn out to be import/export only. If the 
> >majority in a state decides to use Spanish for 
> >its business, won't the citizens of that state 
> >need Spanish to get ahead?
> >
> >In India, Hindi is spoken by more and more 
> >Indians. When I lived in India it was rare to 
> >find a person in the South speaking Hindi. When 
> >I interact with Indians working with us on 
> >global projects, I find even Indians from the 
> >South speak fluent Hindi. Where they learnt I 
> >don't know and I don't know if they were forced 
> >to learn.
> >Dilip
> >
> >Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  >It is slowly changing and clash of linguistic
> groups is bound to happen.
> >
> >*** Does that mean that unless an American 
> >learns Spanish, she might not be able to get 
> >ahead when that time arrives?
> >
> >
> >*** And to extend the logic, will one have to 
> >learn Hindi to get ahead  in India pretty soon, 
> >unless it is already so?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:39 PM -0700 9/28/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
> >
> >>If you leave out the Hispanics, you can say it 
> >>is one language in USA. As we all know, USA 
> >>will have to face the issue of two rival 
> >>languages very soon.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Also USA does not have an official language. The 
> >reign of English as the language is due to the 
> >fact that all immigrants had to learn the 
> >language to get ahead. It is slowly changing and 
> >clash of linguistic groups is bound to happen.
> >
> >Dilip
> >
> >barua25 <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >It is all one mother tongue, one language here.
> >Not like India as a whole administered by a foreign
> language: English.
> >Barua
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Krishnendu Chakraborty"
> >To:
> >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:12 AM
> >Subject: [Assam] Indian Political Boundary
> >
> >
> >Rajen-da
> >>>First India was never such a big united country
> as
> >it is now.
> >
> >**** Applying this logic, even US should be termed
> as
> >a country that was never expected to ever be a
> >country. Apart from European colonization the wars,
> >grabbing of land from Native Americans and
> Speniards
> >continued till late 19th century (source:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA#Native_Americans_and_European_settlers).
> >Same goes true for Canada (even may be Australia).
> >
> >
> >>>>>>  First India was never such a big united
> country
> >as it is now.
> >Even during the British Raj, there were many many
> >independepdent states ruled by Maharajas, where
> prsent
> >India is.
> >Second, the South was never under any Indian kings
> >except to some extent under the Moghols.
> >
> >***** The map I see in wiki
> >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurya_dynasty) shows
> >that almost entire south barring present TN and
> Kerala
> >was under Mauryas.
> >
> >Coming to point of Assam, Kamrup historically had a
> >very close tie with rest of India ... reference
> >Mahabharat. Culturally too, think about Krishna --
> >Kalika Purana mentions that the last of the
> >Naraka-bhauma rulers, Narak, was slained by
> Krishna.
> >
> >As for never being ruled by any Indian King, the
> >argument is same as I mentioned for US or Canada or
> >many other countries.
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>  The Indian situation is same. It is one
> >country because of one foreign language: English.
> Thus
> >the historians have a point. Today, take away the
> >English language fron India, the Indian democracy
> will
> >collapese overnight.
> >
> >***** This is a very new argument ... never heard
> >this argument earlier! How many people in villages
> of
> >India do you think can speak English ... I am not
> >talking about proficient but at least Pigin
> English?
> >A guess will be less then half of Indian Population
> >speaks English. People adapt languages because of
> >convenience. Imagine, had you been a villager of
> >Assam, would you care to learn English? Or say if
> you
> >spend most of your life in Delhi or UP, can you
> avoid
> >learnig Hindi even though you might be a Hindi
> hater?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>>>The issue under discussion is : "India is the
> >country that was never expected to ever be a
> country".
> >
> >The above point which some historians are trying to
> >make is this.
> >First India was never such a big united country as
> it
> 
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