[Assam] [WaterWatch] Nobel Peace prize to Al Gore and Pachauri

Wed Oct 24 03:40:42 CDT 2007

Dear Uttamda!

By sacrificing, I meant, any hard working person, who robs of his family's
due share in time/attention for the extra effort he/she puts in, not
necessarily by design, but through circumstances.

The sacrifices of our politicians is what you said.

-manoj

On 10/24/07, uttam borthakur <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> That is the point. Being aware of the fact that a 'prize' be it Nobel,
> Oscar, Miss Universe, Karmashree whatever, 'may' have latent 'bias' or
> may not have any at all; yet we do not have to trivialize ourselves or
> display our envious selves by denigrating the persons receiving those. It
> is was given by the concerned panel in its wisdom. We do not have to applaud
> either, if we do not feel like. I personally feel proud with any human
> achievement, be it an American, Iraqi, Iranian, Cuban, Indian, Pakistani,
> Assamese.. no matter which.  If the concerned person has done good and is
> relevant, then his *contribution* shall be felt by the community anyway.
>
>  Another thing, I have my personal reservation about this 'sacrifice'
> thing. A person sacrifices because he feels good by doing so; there is no
> altruism involved.Some people need name, some may need fame, some may need
> money and some may need sacrifice to make them feel good.
>
>  And forgive me, if the 'sacrifice' of our leaders, hailed by so many in
> the eighties, that catapulted them to corrupting power and loot in Assam has
> made me a little cynic. After all, a person is fashioned by the surrounding
> circumstances:-)
>
> *Manoj Das <dasmk2k at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> yep ramda...bingo!!
>
> On 10/23/07, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well said Manoj.
> >
> > Indians can and should be proud of the fact that Dr. Pachauri (even
> > though indirectly) was awarded the prize and it is he, who will represent
> > his organization to receive the award.
> >
> > There is some bias (perceived or otherwise) in the selections of Nobel
> > winners, but to harp on some bias or to bring up useless issues like Dr. P
> > is undeserving smacks off, at best as plain jealousy, and at the worst a
> > visceral hatred for India or anything India by some.
> >
> > To tell the truth, I was equqlly proud that Dr. Abdus Salam (Pakistan) &
> > Muhammad Yunus (Bangladesh) when they won the Nobel.
> >
> > --Ram da
> >
> >  On 10/23/07, Manoj Das < dasmk2k at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all
> > >
> > > I think we are indulging in unnecessary arguments, quite
> > > characteristic of underdeveloped mindset. Dr. Pachauri has worked very hard
> > > to reach this position and the family very much deserve to bask in the glory
> > > for a while, for I am sure they had sacrificed a huge portion of the
> > > attention they would have otherwise got from him. In fact I being friend of
> > > his son-in-law I too was present on the day of felicitation organised at
> > > India Habitat Centre, next day.
> > >
> > > Mr Pachauri was very categorical in stating that this is not a nobel
> > > prize to his ownself.
> > >
> > > He is a great man and 'hatir p*****t tora formuti mari labh nai'.
> > >
> > > Further discussion will only trivialize those indulge in it.
> > >
> > > -manoj
> > >
> > > On 10/23/07, uttam borthakur <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Let us think it this way. ( I am ignomarus so far as the process of
> > > > determining as to who should receive Nobel Prize in any discipline). I
> > > > think, the 'bias' factor definitely plays a part. Had the panel of judges
> > > > been different, had the policies of the Nobel Committe at a given time been
> > > > different, the awards might have gone to different recipients. Am I thinking
> > > > straight? So, we do not know what factors played a part in this year's peace
> > > > nobel. While discussing these things, we may rise above 'national feelings'.
> > > > Had Mr. Pachauri been an Assamese, I might not have been convinced. Same
> > > > feeling for Al Gore despite his a-tree-fallen-in-the-forest kind of analogy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *cmahanta at charter.net* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Pretty useless argument.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---- umesh sharma wrote:
> > > > > Dr Sanjay Jain of Delhi School of Economics - our Marketing
> > > > professor at Hindu Institute of Management, Sonipat told us a story about
> > > > Indian frogs - this debate reminds me of that.
> > > > >
> > > > > The joke is that someone wanted to exports live frogs from India
> > > > to China ( where frogs' legas are supposed to be delicacies) . The expert
> > > > packagers just put them in small plastic containers and put them on board.
> > > > Someone reminded them "Hey!! you forgot to put the lid -- they will all jump
> > > > out." "Oh no!! they want," repied the Indian frog handlers , "They are
> > > > Indian frogs , the moment one tries to jump out towards freedom and glory
> > > > --others will pull it down,, they are Indian frogs!!!"
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Umesh
> > > > >
> > > > > mc mahant wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px }
> > > > body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }
> > > > > Sankar Ray
> > > > >
> > > > > Spell out his contribution to the work of
> > > > 3000+Researchers/tabulators/summarizers at IPCC.
> > > > > Or was it just another Indian Mahaan Bharat , reflected glory
> > > > syndrome.
> > > > > Rajghatta at TOI on Friday last analyzed case by case the STORY of
> > > > 14 "Indian" Nobel Laureates
> > > > >
> > > > > MM
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > To: waterwatch at yahoogroups.com
> > > > > From: ray_sankar1941 at yahoo.co.in
> > > > > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:32:03 +0100
> > > > > Subject: [WaterWatch] Nobel Peace prize to Al Gore and Pachauri
> > > > >
> > > > > Devashis is very right that Nobel Peace Prize is political, but
> > > > not always. Take the choice of Rev Tutu or Rigoberta Menchu. But certainly
> > > > when Jimmy Carter was chosen, disregarding the fact that he gave orders to
> > > > the entry of Talibans to Afghanistan in 1979 - six months before the Soviet
> > > > Army marched into the same country, we shouldn't lament that Gandhiji didn't
> > > > get it. Had the Mahatma got the prize, the Oslo committee for peace prize
> > > > would have been eternally homoured. And why not the three founders of
> > > > non-aligned movement - Nehru, Tito and Nasser?
> > > > >
> > > > > Pachauri (the way he posed before photographers with his son) and
> > > > a section of the media behave as if the credit goes to Pachauri and not
> > > > IPCC. But for support from the George W Bush-led US lobby, he could not get
> > > > the IPCC post. And one who is a campaigner for GM crops and river-linking
> > > > project should not be regarded as a crusader against threat to the
> > > > ecosystem.
> > > > > Sankar Ray
> > > > >
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