[Assam] assam Digest, Vol 27, Issue 44
Priyankoo
priyankoo at gmail.com
Wed Oct 10 16:02:56 CDT 2007
Hi all,
No matter what the outcome of the survey/Plebiscite/opinion poll is, I think
only a section of the society participated in it, i.e. the privileged middle
class of the society who are literate and who have access to SMS and emails.
Personally I think, in a matter which influences everybody in Assam, a
random sampling or selective sampling is equal to not listening to the
underprivileged.
But again, was not the 1951 Plebiscite of Nagaland (by Phizo led NNC)
nullified by Nehru and hundreds of Naga villages destroyed?
best
Priyankoo
p.s. Unfortunately I am not very regular replying Assamnet these days but I
do read almost all the emails except junks.
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> 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani)
> 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta)
> 3. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta)
> 4. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani)
> 5. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani)
> 6. Please take part in the opinion poll (Krishnendu Chakraborty)
> 7. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Ram Sarangapani" <assamrs at gmail.com>
> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world"
> <assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:51:14 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Please take part in the opinion poll
> Nayan,
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> I am not sure I understand, but what is is a 'non-governmental plebicite'?
> I don't think the GOI will let that slide by either.
>
> But if you mean an informal one? Well, those, I would think, are the
> opinion polls already conducted by the PCG and APW.
>
> But a 'formal plebicite' like what C' da is suggesting under the control
> of the UN, is just next to impossible.
>
> I agree with you that the voices of the people of Assam must be heard by
> Dilli, but we must realize, even the most amiable dilliwalla will stop
> listening and harden their stance once a plebicite is mentioned.
>
> But, I come back to the original point, that Assam or any other place
> cannot be just given away by the PM or the GOI. It is NOT theirs to give
> away in the first place. That is why Nehru's "my heart goes to the people of
> Assam" speech in 1962 still hurts.
>
> >Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to
> take part.
> >You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we won't be :)
>
>
> Oh! I think the problem will be the reverse. Everyone and his uncle will
> be allowed to vote - and that would include Bangladeshis.
> The reason why Pakistan insists on a plebicite in Kashmir (and India is
> against it) is because, over the years, the Kashnir valley has been flooded
> by Pakistanis who have forcefully driven away the indigenous people out of
> Kashmir.
>
> The solution for Assam, I think is to seek *autonomous status*. That way,
> the state has more power to control its destnity and does not have to depend
> on Dilli for each and everything. It also helps, because no one know Assam,
> her problems, and her convictions better than her own people.
>
> There are many states within the Indian union which are actually amenable
> to such an idea - specially the NE states and the Southern states. They
> could all form a coallition of sorts and force the Center to agree to more
> power to individual states.
>
> --Ram da
>
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> On 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ram da,
> > I know some people won't accept the results. And I do not see any role
> > of the Government in this Plebiscite. The government cant and won't do this
> > but since the PCG has tried. Let them try again. Maybe an non Governmental
> > Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. It does not have to be a Government sponsored
> > one naa. The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should
> > be a guarantee that the people's choice will be respected. Thats all I or
> > for that matter any sensible Assamese would want. And when you talk of
> > threat and fear, well...... we have been living with it. nothing new about
> > it. Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to
> > take part. You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we
> > won't be :)
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > >maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast
> > >
> > > Hehehe! Not so fast. Here are some potential problems I see in the way
> > > it is conducted, and who will be allowed to take part in it.
> > >
> > > It would be a bad idea if illegal Bangladeshi's or ISI types are
> > > also given a chance to voice their opinion.
> > > And how will this be conducted? Even today, when there is a call for
> > > Assam bondho, there is no one to challenge it. Will the plebicite be
> > > conducted under the threat of violence?
> > >
> > > And lastly, Nayan, we have seen in even this microscopic sample (Assam
> > > net), we are not able to even accept the results of a poll nor come to a
> > > consensus, and you think, C'da and others will accept something as serious
> > > as a plebicite if it goes against their wishes?
> > >
> > > Lastly, I seriously doubt if the Indian Govt. will accept to hold a
> > > plebicite. Agreeing to hold a plebicite would be tantamount to declaring
> > > (for the Govt,) that maybe, just maybe Assam could be sovereign, and the
> > > Govts. points are not that strong.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, the Govt. of India is just a CARETAKER of the country and
> > > her people. It does not have *any rights* to give away portions of the
> > > country when it pleases, or even hold plebicites *that could well cast
> > > doubts in the territorial integrity of the country *. Well, thats the
> > > way I understand the essence of the Indian Constitution. That I think is a
> > > big reason why Kashmir couldn't have a plebicite either.
> > >
> > > In any case, IMHO, like Kashmir, the role for a plebicite is too late
> > > for Assam
> > >
> > > --Ram
> > >
> > > On 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi < nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > > see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway, maybe a plebiscite is not
> > > > a bad idea at all. atleast let the whole world know what people really want
> > > > in assam. assamese people who stay in assam, work in assam, have their
> > > > families in assam, live here and die here. they should be the ones to decide
> > > > what they want. i fully agree with C da. let there be a plebiscite. but
> > > > before that it should be gauranteed by all concerned that people's wishes
> > > > will be respected.
> > > >
> > > > On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued
> > > > > servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put
> > > > > an end to the speculations, wouldn't it?
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> > > > >
> > > > > Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house
> > > > > interrogation poll?
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> > > > > At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad
> > > > > even from a poll that one doesn't trust.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes
> > > > > thru surface mail.
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> > > > >
> > > > > Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does
> > > > > this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public
> > > > > Works (or Service) group?
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> > > > > _________________
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> > > > > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you
> > > > > can be rest assured that somebody (C Da) will deny the authenticity of that
> > > > > report. i am reproducing the relevant paragraph below for easy access. you
> > > > > can also see the editorial in assamtimes.org and comment. i wrote
> > > > > that on request of the webmaster.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Assam journalists condemn ULFA threat to editors *<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html>
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > > June 15, 2006 | Newswatch Desk | Newswatch
> > > > >
> > > > > LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE ARTICLE ------->"The nine-member PCG,
> > > > > formed on September 8, 2005, includes engineer Mukul Mahanta, journalists
> > > > > Ajit Bhuyan, Haider Hussain and Diganta Konwar, medic Brajen Gogoi, advocate
> > > > > Arup Borbora, advisor to the Asom Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad Dilip
> > > > > Patgiri, advisor to the Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti Lachit Bordoloi, and
> > > > > sports organiser Hiranya Saikia. Litterateur Indira Raisom Goswami and
> > > > > former footballer player Rebati Phukan act as facilitators, and maintain
> > > > > links between the government and the consultative group.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shortly after it was formed, the group asked people of the state
> > > > > to express their opinion about the peace process. About 5,670 people
> > > > > responded to that survey of which 1,500 odd were through SMS, another 1,700
> > > > > through e-mails, and rest through land mail. The results of the survey were
> > > > > not announced Amar Asom exposed it. The result, according to the newspaper,
> > > > > only 300 or so people supported ULFA and its cause, while the rest voiced
> > > > > their opinion in the negative."
> > > > >
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> > > > > On 10/10/07,* Krishnendu Chakraborty* <krish_gau at yahoo.com >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Check the last para of this ---
> > > > > http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure
> > > > > if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE,
> > > > > UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core".
> > > > >
> > > > > PCG was too shy to publish the results :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of
> > > > > assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG)
> > > > > are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone
> > > > > explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam ---
> > > > > the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the
> > > > > School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders
> > > > > whose business get impacted because of regular
> > > > > bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by
> > > > > ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard
> > > > > the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ??????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >>Entirely faulty premise for the poll.
> > > > >
> > > > > >>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair
> > > > > representation of Assam's polity?
> > > > >
> > > > > >>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple
> > > > > an issue as this,
> > > > > what will anybody learn from it?
> > > > >
> > > > > >>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core.
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> > > > > At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
> > > > > >please take part in the opinion poll going on in
> > > > > >< http://www.assamtimes.org> www.assamtimes.org
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> > > > Chamber:
> > > > Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> > > > Guwahati-781001, Assam
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> > > > +91 94350 43007
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> > Guwahati-781001, Assam
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world <
> assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:59:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Please take part in the opinion poll
> At 1:00 AM +0530 10/11/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
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> @@@@ That it be preceded by a reasonable period of free and unfettered
> discussion and
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> debate among the people of Assam about the whys and of the pros
> and cons of
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> sovereignty for Assam, so that people can make an informed
> judgement.
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> ######## Reasonable period means? would you be more specific? Should I
> presume that 29 years are not reasonable enough for you? And people of Assam
> have not discussed and debated about the pros and cons? C Da, I am, what do
> you say? ........ Sorry, could not find the proper word. maybe you could
> find one for me and substitute.
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> **** How about YOU giving it a try? How long do you think is reasonable?
> A week, five, three months, a year ? Surely Indian intelligentsia know
> nothing about our troubles and care less . And Assam intelligentsia ,
> steeped in that culture of dependency is clueless, more afraid of their
> xaandoh-khowa-baali-tol-jwa than give two hoots about trying to find an
> honorable, just and sustainable solution for what it cries itself hoarse
> but would not lift a finger to do something constructive.
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> So , show YOUR mettle Nayan. Can you put your money where your mouth is,
> with the courage of your convictions ?
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> @@@@ That it be conducted under UN supervision.
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> ####### UN supervision is quite acceptable. I mean to me and I presume to
> all. Can't say anything about the Government though. Not really concerned
> about the government as they have failed to provide the necessary security
> and peace for the development of the region.
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> **** If the government is representative of the people and is
> accountable to it, it must abide by the popular wish. So challenge it, or
> blow its cover exposing it for what it is.
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> But can you? Will you?
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> On 10/11/07,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> At 12:01 AM +0530 10/11/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
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> see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway,
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> **** You seem to have a serious misconception about who can and who can't
> or when one can participate here in a discussion or debate. I don't need an
> invitation to join in on one. I can* barge in* on it any time I choose to.
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> You need to remember Nayan, that I also have another responsibility,
> albeit a self-imposed one, here: Of serving as a logic detector. With the
> preponderance of absurd and illogical arguments here presented by people who
> could be expected to know better, day-in and day-out , someone needs to
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> maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast let the whole world
> know what people really want in assam. assamese people who stay in assam,
> work in assam, have their families in assam, live here and die here. they
> should be the ones to decide what they want. i fully agree with C da. let
> there be a plebiscite. but before that it should be gauranteed by all
> concerned that people's wishes will be respected.
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> **** I agree wholeheartedly, with all of the above. But in addition to
> that we need a couple of other conditions attached:
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> @@@@ That it be preceded by a reasonable period of free and
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> **** It will be an effective way to bring the nearly thirty year long
> conflict to an end, which I like to think all sincere and honorable people
> want and aim for. Since ULFA has declared more than once, that it will abide
> by it; to find excuses for not doing it will be a most insincere and
> dishonorable pursuit, designed to promote interests of India over Assam's.
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> That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued
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> At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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> Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even
> from a poll that one doesn't trust.
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> It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru
> surface mail.
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> Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this
> result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works
> (or Service) group?
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> On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you can be
> rest assured that somebody (C Da) will deny the authenticity of that report.
> i am reproducing the relevant paragraph below for easy access. you can also
> see the editorial in assamtimes.org and comment. i wrote that on request
> of the webmaster.
>
>
>
> *Assam journalists condemn ULFA threat to editors*<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html>
>
> June 15, 2006 | Newswatch Desk | Newswatch
>
> LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE ARTICLE ------->"The nine-member PCG, formed on
> September 8, 2005, includes engineer Mukul Mahanta, journalists Ajit Bhuyan,
> Haider Hussain and Diganta Konwar, medic Brajen Gogoi, advocate Arup
> Borbora, advisor to the Asom Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad Dilip
> Patgiri, advisor to the Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti Lachit Bordoloi, and
> sports organiser Hiranya Saikia. Litterateur Indira Raisom Goswami and
> former footballer player Rebati Phukan act as facilitators, and maintain
> links between the government and the consultative group.
>
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> Shortly after it was formed, the group asked people of the state to
> express their opinion about the peace process. About 5,670 people responded
> to that survey of which 1,500 odd were through SMS, another 1,700 through
> e-mails, and rest through land mail. The results of the survey were not
> announced Amar Asom exposed it. The result, according to the newspaper, only
> 300 or so people supported ULFA and its cause, while the rest voiced their
> opinion in the negative."
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/10/07,* Krishnendu Chakraborty* <krish_gau at yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> Check the last para of this ---
> http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html
>
> Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure
> if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE,
> UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core".
>
> PCG was too shy to publish the results :-)
>
> BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of
> assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG)
> are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone
> explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam ---
> the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the
> School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders
> whose business get impacted because of regular
> bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by
> ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard
> the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ??????
>
>
> >>Entirely faulty premise for the poll.
>
> >>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair
> representation of Assam's polity?
>
> >>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple
> an issue as this,
> what will anybody learn from it?
>
> >>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
> >please take part in the opinion poll going on in
> >< http://www.assamtimes.org> www.assamtimes.org
> >
> >--
> >Nayanjyoti Medhi
>
> >Advocate
> >Gauhati High Court
> >
> >Chamber:
>
> >Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> >Guwahati-781001, Assam
> >
> >Phone:
> >+91 361 2416960
> >+91 94350 43007
> >
> >Email:
> ><mailto: nayanjyoti.medhi at
> gmail.com>nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
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>
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> Gauhati High Court
>
> Chamber:
> Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> Guwahati-781001, Assam
>
>
> Phone:
> +91 361 2416960
> +91 94350 43007
>
> Email:
>
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>
> --
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> Advocate
> Gauhati High Court
>
> Chamber:
> Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> Guwahati-781001, Assam
>
>
> Phone:
> +91 361 2416960
> +91 94350 43007
>
> Email:
> nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
>
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>
>
>
>
> --
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> Advocate
> Gauhati High Court
>
> Chamber:
> Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> Guwahati-781001, Assam
>
>
> Phone:
> +91 361 2416960
> +91 94350 43007
>
> Email:
> nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world <
> assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:02:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Please take part in the opinion poll
> Ram:
>
> Instead of carrying water for Dilli, why don't you tell us where YOU
> stand? For crying out loud , Dilli has a billion people behind it. The
> people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does.
>
> But will you? That is the question.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 1:51 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>
> Nayan,
>
>
>
> I am not sure I understand, but what is is a 'non-governmental plebicite'?
> I don't think the GOI will let that slide by either.
>
>
>
> But if you mean an informal one? Well, those, I would think, are the
> opinion polls already conducted by the PCG and APW.
>
>
>
> But a 'formal plebicite' like what C' da is suggesting under the control
> of the UN, is just next to impossible.
>
>
>
> I agree with you that the voices of the people of Assam must be heard by
> Dilli, but we must realize, even the most amiable dilliwalla will stop
> listening and harden their stance once a plebicite is mentioned.
>
>
>
> But, I come back to the original point, that Assam or any other place
> cannot be just given away by the PM or the GOI. It is NOT theirs to give
> away in the first place. That is why Nehru's "my heart goes to the people of
> Assam" speech in 1962 still hurts.
>
>
>
> >Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to
> take part.
>
> >You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we won't be :)
>
>
>
> Oh! I think the problem will be the reverse. Everyone and his uncle will
> be allowed to vote - and that would include Bangladeshis.
>
> The reason why Pakistan insists on a plebicite in Kashmir (and India is
> against it) is because, over the years, the Kashnir valley has been flooded
> by Pakistanis who have forcefully driven away the indigenous people out of
> Kashmir.
>
>
>
> The solution for Assam, I think is to seek* autonomous status*. That way,
> the state has more power to control its destnity and does not have to depend
> on Dilli for each and everything. It also helps, because no one know Assam,
> her problems, and her convictions better than her own people.
>
>
>
> There are many states within the Indian union which are actually amenable
> to such an idea - specially the NE states and the Southern states. They
> could all form a coallition of sorts and force the Center to agree to more
> power to individual states.
>
>
>
> --Ram da
>
>
>
>
> On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ram da,
>
> I know some people won't accept the results. And I do not see any role of
> the Government in this Plebiscite. The government cant and won't do this but
> since the PCG has tried. Let them try again. Maybe an non Governmental
> Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. It does not have to be a Government sponsored
> one naa. The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should
> be a guarantee that the people's choice will be respected. Thats all I or
> for that matter any sensible Assamese would want. And when you talk of
> threat and fear, well...... we have been living with it. nothing new about
> it. Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to
> take part. You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we
> won't be :)
>
>
>
> On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* <assamrs at gmail.com > wrote:
>
> >maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast
>
>
>
> Hehehe! Not so fast. Here are some potential problems I see in the way it
> is conducted, and who will be allowed to take part in it.
>
>
>
> It would be a bad idea if illegal Bangladeshi's or ISI types are
> also given a chance to voice their opinion.
>
> And how will this be conducted? Even today, when there is a call for Assam
> bondho, there is no one to challenge it. Will the plebicite be conducted
> under the threat of violence?
>
>
>
> And lastly, Nayan, we have seen in even this microscopic sample (Assam
> net), we are not able to even accept the results of a poll nor come to a
> consensus, and you think, C'da and others will accept something as serious
> as a plebicite if it goes against their wishes?
>
>
>
> Lastly, I seriously doubt if the Indian Govt. will accept to hold a
> plebicite. Agreeing to hold a plebicite would be tantamount to declaring
> (for the Govt,) that maybe, just maybe Assam could be sovereign, and the
> Govts. points are not that strong.
>
>
>
> Furthermore, the Govt. of India is just a CARETAKER of the country and her
> people. It does not have* any rights* to give away portions of the country
> when it pleases, or even hold plebicites* that could well cast doubts in
> the territorial integrity of the country* . Well, thats the way I
> understand the essence of the Indian Constitution. That I think is a big
> reason why Kashmir couldn't have a plebicite either.
>
>
>
> In any case, IMHO, like Kashmir, the role for a plebicite is too late for
> Assam
>
>
> --Ram
>
>
> On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* < nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com > wrote:
>
> see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway, maybe a plebiscite is not a bad
> idea at all. atleast let the whole world know what people really want in
> assam. assamese people who stay in assam, work in assam, have their families
> in assam, live here and die here. they should be the ones to decide what
> they want. i fully agree with C da. let there be a plebiscite. but before
> that it should be gauranteed by all concerned that people's wishes will be
> respected.
>
>
>
> On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net > wrote:
>
> That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued
> servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put
> an end to the speculations, wouldn't it?
>
>
>
>
> Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation
> poll?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>
> Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even
> from a poll that one doesn't trust.
>
>
>
> It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru
> surface mail.
>
>
>
> Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this
> result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works
> (or Service) group?
>
>
>
> _________________
>
> On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you can be
> rest assured that somebody (C Da) will deny the authenticity of that report.
> i am reproducing the relevant paragraph below for easy access. you can also
> see the editorial in assamtimes.org and comment. i wrote that on request
> of the webmaster.
>
>
>
> *Assam journalists condemn ULFA threat to editors*<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html>
>
> June 15, 2006 | Newswatch Desk | Newswatch
>
> LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE ARTICLE ------->"The nine-member PCG, formed on
> September 8, 2005, includes engineer Mukul Mahanta, journalists Ajit Bhuyan,
> Haider Hussain and Diganta Konwar, medic Brajen Gogoi, advocate Arup
> Borbora, advisor to the Asom Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad Dilip
> Patgiri, advisor to the Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti Lachit Bordoloi, and
> sports organiser Hiranya Saikia. Litterateur Indira Raisom Goswami and
> former footballer player Rebati Phukan act as facilitators, and maintain
> links between the government and the consultative group.
>
> Shortly after it was formed, the group asked people of the state to
> express their opinion about the peace process. About 5,670 people responded
> to that survey of which 1,500 odd were through SMS, another 1,700 through
> e-mails, and rest through land mail. The results of the survey were not
> announced Amar Asom exposed it. The result, according to the newspaper, only
> 300 or so people supported ULFA and its cause, while the rest voiced their
> opinion in the negative."
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/10/07,* Krishnendu Chakraborty* <krish_gau at yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> Check the last para of this ---
> http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html
>
> Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure
>
> if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE,
> UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core".
>
> PCG was too shy to publish the results :-)
>
> BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of
> assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG)
> are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone
> explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam ---
> the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the
> School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders
> whose business get impacted because of regular
> bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by
> ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard
> the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ??????
>
>
> >>Entirely faulty premise for the poll.
>
> >>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair
> representation of Assam's polity?
>
> >>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple
> an issue as this,
> what will anybody learn from it?
>
> >>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
> >please take part in the opinion poll going on in
> >< http://www.assamtimes.org> www.assamtimes.org
> >
> >--
> >Nayanjyoti Medhi
>
> >Advocate
> >Gauhati High Court
> >
> >Chamber:
> >Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> >Guwahati-781001, Assam
> >
> >Phone:
> >+91 361 2416960
> >+91 94350 43007
> >
> >Email:
> ><mailto: nayanjyoti.medhi at
> gmail.com>nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
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>
> Chamber:
> Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> Guwahati-781001, Assam
>
>
> Phone:
> +91 361 2416960
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>
> Email:
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> Gauhati High Court
>
> Chamber:
> Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> Guwahati-781001, Assam
>
>
> Phone:
> +91 361 2416960
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>
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> Gauhati High Court
>
> Chamber:
> Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> Guwahati-781001, Assam
>
>
> Phone:
> +91 361 2416960
> +91 94350 43007
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Ram Sarangapani" <assamrs at gmail.com>
> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world"
> <assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:04:00 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Please take part in the opinion poll
> C'da,
>
> >**** That won't work.. Both parties to the conflict must agree to abide
> by the results.
> >ULFA has declared time and again that it will.
>
> Curious. Who is the other "party" and how and whom does it represent?
> Since, the GOI is not a party, as per definitions here, the ULFA is one,
> then who is the other?
>
> *>>*And when you talk of threat and fear, well...... we have been living
> with it.*
> *
>
> >**** Again, very well said.
>
> Huh! What kind of plebicite is this? We hold a plebicite in spite of
> possible threats?
>
>
> --Ram
>
>
> On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *> The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should be
> > a guarantee that the people's >choice will be respected. Thats all I or for
> > that matter any sensible Assamese would want.*
> >
> >
> > *** Very well said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Maybe an non Governmental Plebiscite funded by the ULFA.
> >
> >
> > **** That won't work.. Both parties to the conflict must agree to abide
> > by the results. ULFA has declared time and again that it will.
> >
> >
> > GoI naturally would oppose it, because it claims a divine right over
> > Assam, aided and abetted by those to whom GoI s interests are more important
> > than the those of the people of Assam.
> >
> >
> > That is why those whose intents are honorable, sincere and are for the
> > best interests of the people of Assam, will need to generate a massive
> > public opinion in support of the plebiscite. to force GoI to agree.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *>The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should be
> > a guarantee that the people's >choice will be respected.*
> > *
> > *
> > *** Exactly.
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *>*And when you talk of threat and fear, well...... we have been living
> > with it.
> > *
> > *
> > **** Again, very well said.
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *>*Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed
> > to take part.
> > *
> > *
> > ***** GoI supporters and apologists should have no objection to the GoI
> > approved voter-lists. Or don't they have any faith in it?*
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > >You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we won't be
> >
> >
> > **** Too bad, Nayan that having come up with a constructive and wise
> > idea, you crumble under the weight of infantile burdens.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Finally, I am still awaiting to learn about what I failed to answer in
> > your inquest. I won't press for answers to the mmmm--- question, or answers
> > to those other questions from months ago which you must still be working on
> > :-).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:51 AM +0530 10/11/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
> >
> > Ram da,
> >
> > I know some people won't accept the results. And I do not see any role
> > of the Government in this Plebiscite. The government cant and won't do this
> > but since the PCG has tried. Let them try again. Maybe an non Governmental
> > Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. It does not have to be a Government sponsored
> > one naa. The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should
> > be a guarantee that the people's choice will be respected. Thats all I or
> > for that matter any sensible Assamese would want. And when you talk of
> > threat and fear, well...... we have been living with it. nothing new about
> > it. Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to
> > take part. You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we
> > won't be :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast
> >
> >
> >
> > Hehehe! Not so fast. Here are some potential problems I see in the way
> > it is conducted, and who will be allowed to take part in it.
> >
> >
> >
> > It would be a bad idea if illegal Bangladeshi's or ISI types are
> > also given a chance to voice their opinion.
> >
> > And how will this be conducted? Even today, when there is a call for
> > Assam bondho, there is no one to challenge it. Will the plebicite be
> > conducted under the threat of violence?
> >
> >
> >
> > And lastly, Nayan, we have seen in even this microscopic sample (Assam
> > net), we are not able to even accept the results of a poll nor come to a
> > consensus, and you think, C'da and others will accept something as serious
> > as a plebicite if it goes against their wishes?
> >
> >
> >
> > Lastly, I seriously doubt if the Indian Govt. will accept to hold a
> > plebicite. Agreeing to hold a plebicite would be tantamount to declaring
> > (for the Govt,) that maybe, just maybe Assam could be sovereign, and the
> > Govts. points are not that strong.
> >
> >
> >
> > Furthermore, the Govt. of India is just a CARETAKER of the country and
> > her people. It does not have* any rights* to give away portions of the
> > country when it pleases, or even hold plebicites* that could well cast
> > doubts in the territorial integrity of the country * . Well, thats the
> > way I understand the essence of the Indian Constitution. That I think is a
> > big reason why Kashmir couldn't have a plebicite either.
> >
> >
> >
> > In any case, IMHO, like Kashmir, the role for a plebicite is too late
> > for Assam
> >
> >
> > --Ram
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* < nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway, maybe a plebiscite is not a
> > bad idea at all. atleast let the whole world know what people really want in
> > assam. assamese people who stay in assam, work in assam, have their families
> > in assam, live here and die here. they should be the ones to decide what
> > they want. i fully agree with C da. let there be a plebiscite. but before
> > that it should be gauranteed by all concerned that people's wishes will be
> > respected.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net > wrote:
> >
> > That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued
> > servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put
> > an end to the speculations, wouldn't it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation
> > poll?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >
> > Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even
> > from a poll that one doesn't trust.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru
> > surface mail.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this
> > result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works
> > (or Service) group?
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________
> >
> > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you can be
> > rest assured that somebody (C Da) will deny the authenticity of that report.
> > i am reproducing the relevant paragraph below for easy access. you can also
> > see the editorial in assamtimes.org and comment. i wrote that on
> > request of the webmaster.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Assam journalists condemn ULFA threat to editors *<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html>
> >
> > June 15, 2006 | Newswatch Desk | Newswatch
> >
> > LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE ARTICLE ------->"The nine-member PCG, formed
> > on September 8, 2005, includes engineer Mukul Mahanta, journalists Ajit
> > Bhuyan, Haider Hussain and Diganta Konwar, medic Brajen Gogoi, advocate Arup
> > Borbora, advisor to the Asom Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad Dilip
> > Patgiri, advisor to the Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti Lachit Bordoloi, and
> > sports organiser Hiranya Saikia. Litterateur Indira Raisom Goswami and
> > former footballer player Rebati Phukan act as facilitators, and maintain
> > links between the government and the consultative group.
> >
> > Shortly after it was formed, the group asked people of the state to
> > express their opinion about the peace process. About 5,670 people responded
> > to that survey of which 1,500 odd were through SMS, another 1,700 through
> > e-mails, and rest through land mail. The results of the survey were not
> > announced Amar Asom exposed it. The result, according to the newspaper, only
> > 300 or so people supported ULFA and its cause, while the rest voiced their
> > opinion in the negative."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/07,* Krishnendu Chakraborty* <krish_gau at yahoo.com > wrote:
> >
> > Check the last para of this ---
> > http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html
> >
> > Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure
> > if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE,
> > UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core".
> >
> > PCG was too shy to publish the results :-)
> >
> > BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of
> > assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG)
> > are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone
> > explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam ---
> > the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the
> > School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders
> > whose business get impacted because of regular
> > bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by
> > ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard
> > the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ??????
> >
> >
> >
> > >>Entirely faulty premise for the poll.
> >
> > >>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair
> > representation of Assam's polity?
> >
> > >>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple
> > an issue as this,
> > what will anybody learn from it?
> >
> > >>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
> > >please take part in the opinion poll going on in
> > >< http://www.assamtimes.org> www.assamtimes.org
> > >
> > >--
> > >Nayanjyoti Medhi
> >
> > >Advocate
> > >Gauhati High Court
> > >
> > >Chamber:
> > >Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> > >Guwahati-781001, Assam
> > >
> > >Phone:
> > >+91 361 2416960
> > >+91 94350 43007
> > >
> > >Email:
> > ><mailto: nayanjyoti.medhi at
> > gmail.com>nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________________
> > _______________
> > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo!
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Nayanjyoti Medhi
> > Advocate
> > Gauhati High Court
> >
> > Chamber:
> > Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> > Guwahati-781001, Assam
> >
> >
> > Phone:
> > +91 361 2416960
> > +91 94350 43007
> >
> > Email:
> >
> > nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nayanjyoti Medhi
> > Advocate
> > Gauhati High Court
> >
> > Chamber:
> > Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> > Guwahati-781001, Assam
> >
> >
> > Phone:
> > +91 361 2416960
> > +91 94350 43007
> >
> > Email:
> > nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nayanjyoti Medhi
> > Advocate
> > Gauhati High Court
> >
> > Chamber:
> > Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> > Guwahati-781001, Assam
> >
> >
> > Phone:
> > +91 361 2416960
> > +91 94350 43007
> >
> > Email:
> > nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Ram Sarangapani" <assamrs at gmail.com>
> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world"
> <assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:26:49 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Please take part in the opinion poll
> C'da,
>
> You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI
> included.
> And does it really matter where I stand?
>
>
> Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a
> red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the
> pro/against sovereignty people).
>
> I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will
> lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get
> out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN
> can't do a lick.
>
> >Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far
> more than Dilli does.
>
> Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, *I am on Assam's side* as opposed to
> being on Dilli's side.
> Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with
> seeking Assam's interests? :)
> And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me.
>
> --Ram
>
>
> --Ram
>
> On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > Ram:
> >
> >
> > Instead of carrying water for Dilli, why don't you tell us where YOU
> > stand? For crying out loud , Dilli has a billion people behind it. The
> > people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does.
> >
> >
> > But will you? That is the question.
> >
> >
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> >
> > At 1:51 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >
> > Nayan,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not sure I understand, but what is is a 'non-governmental
> > plebicite'? I don't think the GOI will let that slide by either.
> >
> >
> >
> > But if you mean an informal one? Well, those, I would think, are the
> > opinion polls already conducted by the PCG and APW.
> >
> >
> >
> > But a 'formal plebicite' like what C' da is suggesting under the control
> > of the UN, is just next to impossible.
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree with you that the voices of the people of Assam must be heard by
> > Dilli, but we must realize, even the most amiable dilliwalla will stop
> > listening and harden their stance once a plebicite is mentioned.
> >
> >
> >
> > But, I come back to the original point, that Assam or any other place
> > cannot be just given away by the PM or the GOI. It is NOT theirs to give
> > away in the first place. That is why Nehru's "my heart goes to the people of
> > Assam" speech in 1962 still hurts.
> >
> >
> >
> > >Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to
> > take part.
> >
> > >You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we won't be
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh! I think the problem will be the reverse. Everyone and his uncle will
> > be allowed to vote - and that would include Bangladeshis.
> >
> > The reason why Pakistan insists on a plebicite in Kashmir (and India is
> > against it) is because, over the years, the Kashnir valley has been flooded
> > by Pakistanis who have forcefully driven away the indigenous people out of
> > Kashmir.
> >
> >
> >
> > The solution for Assam, I think is to seek* autonomous status*. That
> > way, the state has more power to control its destnity and does not have to
> > depend on Dilli for each and everything. It also helps, because no one know
> > Assam, her problems, and her convictions better than her own people.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are many states within the Indian union which are actually
> > amenable to such an idea - specially the NE states and the Southern states.
> > They could all form a coallition of sorts and force the Center to agree to
> > more power to individual states.
> >
> >
> >
> > --Ram da
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ram da,
> >
> > I know some people won't accept the results. And I do not see any role
> > of the Government in this Plebiscite. The government cant and won't do this
> > but since the PCG has tried. Let them try again. Maybe an non Governmental
> > Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. It does not have to be a Government sponsored
> > one naa. The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should
> > be a guarantee that the people's choice will be respected. Thats all I or
> > for that matter any sensible Assamese would want. And when you talk of
> > threat and fear, well...... we have been living with it. nothing new about
> > it. Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to
> > take part. You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we
> > won't be :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* <assamrs at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > >maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast
> >
> >
> >
> > Hehehe! Not so fast. Here are some potential problems I see in the way
> > it is conducted, and who will be allowed to take part in it.
> >
> >
> >
> > It would be a bad idea if illegal Bangladeshi's or ISI types are
> > also given a chance to voice their opinion.
> >
> > And how will this be conducted? Even today, when there is a call for
> > Assam bondho, there is no one to challenge it. Will the plebicite be
> > conducted under the threat of violence?
> >
> >
> >
> > And lastly, Nayan, we have seen in even this microscopic sample (Assam
> > net), we are not able to even accept the results of a poll nor come to a
> > consensus, and you think, C'da and others will accept something as serious
> > as a plebicite if it goes against their wishes?
> >
> >
> >
> > Lastly, I seriously doubt if the Indian Govt. will accept to hold a
> > plebicite. Agreeing to hold a plebicite would be tantamount to declaring
> > (for the Govt,) that maybe, just maybe Assam could be sovereign, and the
> > Govts. points are not that strong.
> >
> >
> >
> > Furthermore, the Govt. of India is just a CARETAKER of the country and
> > her people. It does not have* any rights* to give away portions of the
> > country when it pleases, or even hold plebicites* that could well cast
> > doubts in the territorial integrity of the country * . Well, thats the
> > way I understand the essence of the Indian Constitution. That I think is a
> > big reason why Kashmir couldn't have a plebicite either.
> >
> >
> >
> > In any case, IMHO, like Kashmir, the role for a plebicite is too late
> > for Assam
> >
> >
> > --Ram
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* < nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway, maybe a plebiscite is not a
> > bad idea at all. atleast let the whole world know what people really want in
> > assam. assamese people who stay in assam, work in assam, have their families
> > in assam, live here and die here. they should be the ones to decide what
> > they want. i fully agree with C da. let there be a plebiscite. but before
> > that it should be gauranteed by all concerned that people's wishes will be
> > respected.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net > wrote:
> >
> > That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued
> > servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put
> > an end to the speculations, wouldn't it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation
> > poll?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >
> > Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even
> > from a poll that one doesn't trust.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru
> > surface mail.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this
> > result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works
> > (or Service) group?
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________
> >
> > On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you can be
> > rest assured that somebody (C Da) will deny the authenticity of that report.
> > i am reproducing the relevant paragraph below for easy access. you can also
> > see the editorial in assamtimes.org and comment. i wrote that on
> > request of the webmaster.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Assam journalists condemn ULFA threat to editors *<http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html>
> >
> > June 15, 2006 | Newswatch Desk | Newswatch
> >
> > LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF THE ARTICLE ------->"The nine-member PCG, formed
> > on September 8, 2005, includes engineer Mukul Mahanta, journalists Ajit
> > Bhuyan, Haider Hussain and Diganta Konwar, medic Brajen Gogoi, advocate Arup
> > Borbora, advisor to the Asom Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad Dilip
> > Patgiri, advisor to the Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti Lachit Bordoloi, and
> > sports organiser Hiranya Saikia. Litterateur Indira Raisom Goswami and
> > former footballer player Rebati Phukan act as facilitators, and maintain
> > links between the government and the consultative group.
> >
> > Shortly after it was formed, the group asked people of the state to
> > express their opinion about the peace process. About 5,670 people responded
> > to that survey of which 1,500 odd were through SMS, another 1,700 through
> > e-mails, and rest through land mail. The results of the survey were not
> > announced Amar Asom exposed it. The result, according to the newspaper, only
> > 300 or so people supported ULFA and its cause, while the rest voiced their
> > opinion in the negative."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/07,* Krishnendu Chakraborty* <krish_gau at yahoo.com > wrote:
> >
> > Check the last para of this ---
> > http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html
> >
> > Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure
> >
> > if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE,
> > UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core".
> >
> > PCG was too shy to publish the results :-)
> >
> > BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of
> > assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG)
> > are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone
> > explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam ---
> > the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the
> > School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders
> > whose business get impacted because of regular
> > bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by
> > ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard
> > the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ??????
> >
> >
> > >>Entirely faulty premise for the poll.
> >
> > >>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair
> > representation of Assam's polity?
> >
> > >>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple
> > an issue as this,
> > what will anybody learn from it?
> >
> > >>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
> > >please take part in the opinion poll going on in
> > >< http://www.assamtimes.org> www.assamtimes.org
> > >
> > >--
> > >Nayanjyoti Medhi
> >
> > >Advocate
> > >Gauhati High Court
> > >
> > >Chamber:
> > >Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> > >Guwahati-781001, Assam
> > >
> > >Phone:
> > >+91 361 2416960
> > >+91 94350 43007
> > >
> > >Email:
> > ><mailto: nayanjyoti.medhi at
> > gmail.com>nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________________
> > _______________
> > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo!
> > Autos.
> > http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Nayanjyoti Medhi
> > Advocate
> > Gauhati High Court
> >
> > Chamber:
> > Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> > Guwahati-781001, Assam
> >
> >
> > Phone:
> > +91 361 2416960
> > +91 94350 43007
> >
> > Email:
> >
> > nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nayanjyoti Medhi
> > Advocate
> > Gauhati High Court
> >
> > Chamber:
> > Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> > Guwahati-781001, Assam
> >
> >
> > Phone:
> > +91 361 2416960
> > +91 94350 43007
> >
> > Email:
> > nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nayanjyoti Medhi
> > Advocate
> > Gauhati High Court
> >
> > Chamber:
> > Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> > Guwahati-781001, Assam
> >
> >
> > Phone:
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Krishnendu Chakraborty <krish_gau at yahoo.com>
> To: assam at assamnet.org
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:32:35 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Assam] Please take part in the opinion poll
> >>**** So does that therefore make assamtimes poll a
> >scientific,
> >representative and objective one?
>
>
> C'da , as usual, you could not come out of your
> habit of putting words in ones mouth. I NEVER said
> that because PCG did one, assamtimes poll is
> scientific.
>
> However, the question I have for you ... will you
> use the same strong words (uneducated, immature,
> uninformed etc) against PCG? If not, WHY?
>
>
> >>If it does , because PCG too allegedly conducted
> >one, then should we
> >NOT surmise that everyone
> >else ought to heed what PCG does or advise? Wouldn't
> >that be the
> >logical conclusion?
>
> ***** ALLEGEDLY ???? If PCG did not conduct one they
> can readily file a defamation suite against the news
> papers. Did they ???
> If PCG first adhere to the verdict of people as per
> the poll which they conducted, we should have no
> reason not to heed to their advise.
> But the million dollar question is .... is PCG willing
> to hear the voice of people or are they moving with a
> pre-determined notion (and that seems to be the reason
> why they did not want to share results of poll).
>
> >can someone explain WHO forms a fair representation
> of Assam ---
>
> >>**** How about trying it yourself? Is it that hard a
> task?
>
>
> *** Good that you answered it, in your own way of
> course :-) Utpal should now be aware of quality of
> responses he can expect from you. Utpal, you can also
> check the thread "slept like a baby" to have the whole
> gamut of response you can expect from C'da !
>
>
>
> >>*** Is that the best list of who consist of the
> >>people of Assam you
> >>could come up with?
>
> *** Well, I guess I missed one ..... the
> Bangladeshis. In fact, I think it is best if the
> poll is conducted in Bangladesh ... you know, where
> our future leaders are breeding.... what do you say
> :-)
>
> At 10:15 AM -0700 10/10/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
> wrote:
> >Check the last para of this ---
> >http://www.newswatch.in/news-analyses/attacks-on-scribes/5060.html
> >
> >Looks like PCG too tried similar polls .... not sure
> >if the pollsters were uneducated and "IMMATURE,
> >UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core".
>
>
>
>
> >>**** So does that therefore make assamtimes poll a
> scientific,
> representative and objective one?
>
> >>If it does , because PCG too allegedly conducted
> >one, then should we
> >NOT surmise that everyone
> >else ought to heed what PCG does or advise? Wouldn't
> >that be the
> >logical conclusion?
>
>
>
> > >BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of
> assamtimes.org
> >(or even those who responded to PCG)
> >are not a fair representation of Assam,
>
>
> **** Do I need to explain that? If I do, it will
> certainly mean that
> it will be an entirely wasted effort.
>
>
> >can someone explain WHO forms a fair representation
> of Assam ---
>
> **** How about trying it yourself? Is it that hard a
> task?
>
>
>
> > >the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then,
> the School
> >teachers who are killed by ULFA, the >traders whose
> business get
> >impacted because of regular
> >bombblast, the journalists who are threatened
> byULFA, the
> >intellectuals (including AXX) who >discardthe idea of
> Sovereignty,
> >the NRAs ??????
>
>
>
> *** Is that the best list of who consist of the people
> of Assam you
> could come up with?
>
>
> We can see now why you ask the questions you do.
>
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> >
> >PCG was too shy to publish the results :-)
> >
> >BTW, while it is fair to assume that visitors of
> >assamtimes.org (or even those who responded to PCG)
> >are not a fair representation of Assam, can someone
> >explain WHO forms a fair representation of Assam ---
> >the villagers who lynch ULFA every now and then, the
> >School teachers who are killed by ULFA, the traders
> >whose business get impacted because of regular
> >bombblast, the journalists who are threatened by
> >ULFA, the intellectuals (including AXX) who discard
> >the idea of Sovereignty, the NRAs ??????
> >
> >
> >>>Entirely faulty premise for the poll.
> >
> >>>WHO visits assamtimes.org ? Are they a fair
> >representation of Assam's polity?
> >
> >>>If the pollsters are as uneducated about as simple
> >an issue as this,
> >what will anybody learn from it?
> >
> >>>IMMATURE, UNINFORMED and UNREALISTIC to the core.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:47 AM +0530 10/10/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
> >>please take part in the opinion poll going on in
> >><http://www.assamtimes.org>www.assamtimes.org
> >>
> >>--
> >>Nayanjyoti Medhi
> >>Advocate
> >>Gauhati High Court
> >>
> >>Chamber:
> >>Satya Bora Lane, Dighalipukhuri East
> >>Guwahati-781001, Assam
> >>
> >>Phone:
> >>+91 361 2416960
> >>+91 94350 43007
> >>
> >>Email:
> >><mailto:nayanjyoti.medhi at
> >gmail.com>nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world <
> assam at assamnet.org>
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:34:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Please take part in the opinion poll
> GoI is NOT a party . Then why has its military been in occupation of all
> the region?
>
>
>
> What happened to that overwhelming support of the people of Assam for
> continued Indian servitude
> that you all were gloating over less than an hour ago Ram? Has it
> evaporated from a perceived threat of three thousand ULFA cadres ,
> ostensibly hiding in B'desh, coming to defeat the will of the 5 million
> Assamese?
>
>
> Are you serious Ram?
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> At 2:04 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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> C'da,
>
>
> >**** That won't work.. Both parties to the conflict must agree to abide
> by the results.
>
> >ULFA has declared time and again that it will.
>
>
>
> Curious. Who is the other "party" and how and whom does it represent?
> Since, the GOI is not a party, as per definitions here, the ULFA is one,
> then who is the other?
>
>
>
> *>>*And when you talk of threat and fear, well...... we have been living
> with it.
>
>
>
> >**** Again, very well said.
>
>
>
> Huh! What kind of plebicite is this? We hold a plebicite in spite of
> possible threats?
>
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>
> --Ram
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> On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> *> The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should be a
> guarantee that the people's >choice will be respected. Thats all I or for
> that matter any sensible Assamese would want.*
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> *** Very well said.
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> >Maybe an non Governmental Plebiscite funded by the ULFA.
>
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>
> **** That won't work.. Both parties to the conflict must agree to abide by
> the results. ULFA has declared time and again that it will.
>
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> GoI naturally would oppose it, because it claims a divine right over
> Assam, aided and abetted by those to whom GoI s interests are more important
> than the those of the people of Assam.
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> That is why those whose intents are honorable, sincere and are for the
> best interests of the people of Assam, will need to generate a massive
> public opinion in support of the plebiscite. to force GoI to agree.
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> *>The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should be a
> guarantee that the people's >choice will be respected.*
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> *** Exactly.
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> *>*And when you talk of threat and fear, well...... we have been living
> with it.
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> *
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> **** Again, very well said.
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> *>*Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to
> take part.
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> *
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> ***** GoI supporters and apologists should have no objection to the GoI
> approved voter-lists. Or don't they have any faith in it?*
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> >You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we won't be
>
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> **** Too bad, Nayan that having come up with a constructive and wise idea,
> you crumble under the weight of infantile burdens.
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> Finally, I am still awaiting to learn about what I failed to answer in
> your inquest. I won't press for answers to the mmmm--- question, or answers
> to those other questions from months ago which you must still be working on
> :-).
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> At 12:51 AM +0530 10/11/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
>
> Ram da,
>
> I know some people won't accept the results. And I do not see any role of
> the Government in this Plebiscite. The government cant and won't do this but
> since the PCG has tried. Let them try again. Maybe an non Governmental
> Plebiscite funded by the ULFA. It does not have to be a Government sponsored
> one naa. The issue is that people of Assam should be heard and there should
> be a guarantee that the people's choice will be respected. Thats all I or
> for that matter any sensible Assamese would want. And when you talk of
> threat and fear, well...... we have been living with it. nothing new about
> it. Yes, you are quite right about one thing though. who will be allowed to
> take part. You? Me ? People like Sandip Dutta or Utpal Borpujari. Nah we
> won't be :)
>
>
>
> On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast
>
>
>
> Hehehe! Not so fast. Here are some potential problems I see in the way it
> is conducted, and who will be allowed to take part in it.
>
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>
> It would be a bad idea if illegal Bangladeshi's or ISI types are
> also given a chance to voice their opinion.
>
> And how will this be conducted? Even today, when there is a call for Assam
> bondho, there is no one to challenge it. Will the plebicite be conducted
> under the threat of violence?
>
>
>
> And lastly, Nayan, we have seen in even this microscopic sample (Assam
> net), we are not able to even accept the results of a poll nor come to a
> consensus, and you think, C'da and others will accept something as serious
> as a plebicite if it goes against their wishes?
>
>
>
> Lastly, I seriously doubt if the Indian Govt. will accept to hold a
> plebicite. Agreeing to hold a plebicite would be tantamount to declaring
> (for the Govt,) that maybe, just maybe Assam could be sovereign, and the
> Govts. points are not that strong.
>
>
>
> Furthermore, the Govt. of India is just a CARETAKER of the country and her
> people. It does not have* any rights* to give away portions of the country
> when it pleases, or even hold plebicites* that could well cast doubts in
> the territorial integrity of the country* . Well, thats the way I
> understand the essence of the Indian Constitution. That I think is a big
> reason why Kashmir couldn't have a plebicite either.
>
>
>
> In any case, IMHO, like Kashmir, the role for a plebicite is too late for
> Assam
>
>
> --Ram
>
>
> On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* < nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> see i told you C Da will barge in. anyway, maybe a plebiscite is not a bad
> idea at all. atleast let the whole world know what people really want in
> assam. assamese people who stay in assam, work in assam, have their families
> in assam, live here and die here. they should be the ones to decide what
> they want. i fully agree with C da. let there be a plebiscite. but before
> that it should be gauranteed by all concerned that people's wishes will be
> respected.
>
>
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> On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net > wrote:
>
> That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued
> servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put
> an end to the speculations, wouldn't it?
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> Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation
> poll?
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> At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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> Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even
> from a poll that one doesn't trust.
>
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>
> It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru
> surface mail.
>
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>
> Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this
> result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works
> (or Service) group?
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> On 10/10/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yes, i read the report. but now that you have pointed it out, you can be
> rest assured that some