[Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification
Rajen & Ajanta Barua
barua25 at hotmail.com
Tue Jul 22 07:42:33 IST 2008
Chandan
I don't know how to thank you for those right words.
You have my full agreement.
Keep up the good work.
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chan Mahanta" <cmahanta at charter.net>
To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around theworld"
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Cc: <ambikashukla at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send
a clarification
>I never cease to marvel at the demand for 'strong punishment' for
> every imaginable 'desi-sin' or crime or affront to one's sense of
> justice or what have you. From Presidents to PMs to members of
> parliament
> to civic leaders to religious gurus to assamnetters--that is always a
> common theme, the thread that binds desis in the pursuit of justice
> of their desires.
>
> What however is forever missing from the equation is WHO will decide
> if the punishment fits the crime, if it IS a CRIME to begin with, WHO
> will investigate the crime , WHO will prosecute, WHO will judge and
> WHO will mete out punishment, IF warranted ?
>
>
> Only the abject fool or those in self-induced comas would fail to
> notice that RAREL, if ever, anyone gets any of those demanded
> 'strong-punisments' in India for even the most egregious of crimes.
>
> Ambika Shukla and others like her are not oblivious of that. And that
> is why her article : To punish the Naga student Yoronso. And the
> Asian Age and the Deccan Chronicle are also acutely aware of the
> problem, and thus willing partners in Shukla's crusade for PRIVATE
> justice, of the lynch mob.
>
> The first question before we demand punishment should be to inquire
> WHAT exactly the CRIME is.
>
> **** Is it dog-meat eating? Is it a crime in India?
>
> **** Is it cruelty to the dog before it becomes meat? Is there a
> prescribed standard, a basic minimum of humane ways of butchering
> living things for meat in Indian laws ? Or even in commonly accepted
> social norm?
>
>
>
> Then we should ask IF the account presented believable?
>
>
> The carefully detailed atrocities and acts of cruelty could not come
> from anyone but an eyewitness who had absolutely no way to prevent or
> mitigate what supposedly went on in that room where Yoronso and his
> two accomplices committed the acts of savagery.
>
>
> Obviously Shukla was not the eyewitness.
>
>
> She either concocted it or accepted whatever was given to her by
> whoever. It is an obviously embellished account.
>
> But do we have any way of determining HOW MUCH it was embellished,
> or exaggerated or even down-played ?
>
> There may very well be elements of truth the account. But how much?
> Is it deserving of STRONG PUNISHMENT? Is it even punishable?
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> My verdict:
>
> Shukla is either :
>
> A: A fool or at best an immature, ignorant zealot, driven
> by her own agenda,
> never mind how noble.
>
> B: A conspirator , a scheming zealot out to punish a man,
> never mind if the charges
> against him is true or not. She and her enablers, the Asian
> Age and the Deccan Chronicle
> should be sued for libel, at the very least.
>
> But we know what good that will do.
>
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> At 8:11 PM +0800 7/21/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
>>Hi Alpana
>>If you have seen my earlier posts, you will see that I was one of the
few
>>who advocated strong punishment for Yoronso for the barbaric crime of
>>beating an animal to death for food.
>>People got carried away with the "NE" generalisation, forgetting the
>>original crime.
>>Also, I would like to see what the Naga Associations think of this.
There is
>>no race called "north easterners". The author is a typical hindustani
wallah
>>whose knowledge beyond the hindi belt is probably zero.
>>I also saw the link, the petition by JNU where people from all over the
>>world commented and were understandably disgusted.
>>JS
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani <
>>absarangapani at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Great to hear from you, Ram.
>>>
>>> I just wanted to butt in here to make a few things clear.
>>>
>>> This "story" has been doing the rounds for the last 10 days or so.
>>>
>>> Right from the beginning, I have not read any one writing that
torturing
>>> the dog 'Kali' was the right thing to do. Everyone has said that they
were
>>> appaled/agast/sorry etc. about the torture.
>>>
>>> I don't know if you read those mails right from the beginning, this
point
>>> has been repeated over and over again. And frankly, this is nothing
new
>> > here. Nobody has objected about Shukla's crusade for preventing
animal
>>> cruelty.
>>>
>>> The basic problem with Ambika Shukla is:
>>>
>>> a) She generalized all North East Indians and made it look like we
all eat
>>> dog meat and ill-treat animals.
>>>
>>> b) She was condescending.
>>>
>>> c) The student in question should go through the Indian legal system,
>>> instead of being convicted by some media hype.
>>>
>>> Let us not make it look like this is the first time we woke up and
found
>>> out that torturing of dog (or any animal) is reprehensible.
>>>
>>> BTW, if you did not know, we have two lovely German Shepherds which
we
>>> treat as our children.
>>>
>>> I am sorry, if I offended anybody but reading your note made me
wonder if
>>> this point (of condemning the torture incident) was ever missed. FYI,
this
>>> point has been written over and over again right from the beginning.
>>>
>>> I am just disgusted.
>>>
>>> - Alpana Baideu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree
and
>>> humble like a blade of grass."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: ramdhar at hotmail.com> To: assam at assamnet.org;
>>> ambikashukla at yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:29:39 -0400>
Subject:
>>> Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a
>>> clarification> > > Kamalda,> Great observation there ..i agree with
yr
>>> comments and as a pet owner i am horrified to read about that
incident .> >
>>> Ambika bhen :-) > > If yr husband used his troops to search that dog,
shame
>>> on him and his troops. Indian tax payers are not paying army for such
>>> mission . > If he went to village elder and just requested him to
find out
>>> from his village folks if they have seen that dog and holding
it...that i
>>> guess is FINE as village elders in many NE communities are well
respected
>>> and folks listen to them .....we dont know the details and I am
giving yr
>>> husband a benefit of doubt here.> > Pls send a letter to that
newspaper with
>>> some sort of clarification on this article which has angered us here.
We
>>> will welcome that.> > take care> > another not required Indian > > >
> > > >
>>> > > > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:21:06 -0500> From:
kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> To: assam at assamnet.org; ambikashukla at yahoo.com> Subject: [Assam]
Murder
>>> Most Foul> > Hello Ambikaji,> > Namaste.I am writing this in
reference to
>>> the piece written by you entitled> " Murder Most Foul " ( The Deccan
>>> Herald,July 15 2008 ).> First point first.Please allow me to join
hands in
>>> running crusade against> those who mistreat animals.We all, with our
right
>>> conscience,ought to take> anyone to task with harshest language
possible for
>>> abusing animals.An> exemplary punishment must be meted out to the
Naga
>>> student, who subjected an> animal to such a cruel treatment.The court
of law
>>> must decide first as to> whether or not he is guilty of the crime,he
is
>>> accused to have committed.At> this time,I would not rush to judgement
>>> pending full disclosure of> facts.I,therefore, would prefer to remain
>>> skeptical until full findings by> the court are out in the open.> I
>>> am,however,shell-shocked by one of your statement in which you have>
bunched
>>> the people of the North-Eastern states together and stratified them>
as
>>> one.A direct quote would,perhaps,carry the right flavor :>
>>> "Apparently,North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and
barbecue dogs>
>>> ".A well-informed person like you must be aware of the fact that the>
>>> North-East region consists of seven states ( gone up to eight with
the>
>>> inclusion of Sikkim ).Each of these states differs from the other in
terms>
>>> of diet,dialect and dress.Without a modicum of the doubt,the people
hailing>
>>> from most of these states don't consume dog meat.It is but natural
that an>
>>> Assamese and a Manipuri or a Tripuri for that matter would take
umbrage at>
>>> this sweeping generalisation.> May I request you to retract the
particular
>>> statement in order to clear> things as day light? If you find me in
error in
>>> saying so,please feel free> to explain as to where I have erred.>
Regards,>
>>> Kamaljit Deka> Sugarland,Texas.>
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