[Assam] [WaterWatch] Support Tibet, (Water sanity & justice is inseparable from 'ethno-cultural'

Wed Mar 26 23:38:39 CST 2008

Anger???? Sensed anger in my previous mail when I was simply giving an example (then you proved me to be wrong!, it's just that simple).

I doubt if any one that I know have been able to control anger and be patient as I have been in this life. I am way beyond this.

Forgive me for being a little blunt here, still am not angry though! 

“In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass”

 > From: barua25 at hotmail.com> To: assam at assamnet.org> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:32:09 -0500> Subject: Re: [Assam] [WaterWatch] Support Tibet, (Water sanity & justice is inseparable from 'ethno-cultural'> > One can sense your anger. However, if you read the bold below, you will realize that your response does not make sense showing Gandhi as an example because Gandhi was not a king. > The issue was why Indian and Chinese rulers were not resorting to Dialogue instead of War. The answer is, it is not in the tradition of our rulers. Gandhi as well as Buddha and Christ donot count, because they were not rulers. > Thanks> Barua> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <absarangapani at hotmail.com>> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world" <assam at assamnet.org>> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:59 PM> Subject: Re: [Assam] [WaterWatch] Support Tibet, (Water sanity & justice is inseparable from 'ethno-cultural'> > > > > >> Except for Ashoka, India does not really have any traditions of dialogue or Ahimsa on the part of the royal class.> > > > What about Gandhi? He was not part of any royal family, but was from India and from the recent years.> > > >>attacks on Europe came from the Mongols, from Buddhist China.> > > > And China is the main point of discussion here too. Why is India being dragged here? > > General Question: India even went to the extent of fighting with China to extend her support to Dalia Lama and to be on principle. Shouldn't that be appreciated? > > > > Indian history is mostly a history of wars. In fact these religions of the common people, whether Buddhism or Taosim or Vaishnavism or Christianity for that matter, do not really have any affect on the ruling class. Religions have been interpreted time and again in all countries to justify wars. In the middle age, the most devastating attacks on Europe came from the Mongols, from Buddhist China.> > > > "Do not fear GodGive him your love because he needs itAnd forgive him alwaysFor he will learn from your example"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: barua25 at hotmail.com> To: assam at assamnet.org> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:06:43 -0500> Subject: Re: [Assam] [WaterWatch] Support Tibet, (Water sanity & justice is inseparable from 'ethno-cultural'/human sanity & justice)> > >They are supposed to have some traditions to build upon.> > Except for Ashoka, India does not really have any traditions of dialogue or Ahimsa on the part of the royal class. Indian history is mostly a history of wars. In fact these religions of the common people, whether Buddhism or Taosim or Vaishnavism or Christianity for that matter, do not really have any affect on the ruling class. Religions have been interpreted time and again in all countries to justify wars. In the middle age, the most devastating attacks on Europe came from the Mongols, from Buddhist China.> Rajen Barua> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chan Mahanta" <cmahanta at charter.net>> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around theworld" <assam at assamnet.org>> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:08 PM> Subject: Re: [Assam] [WaterWatch] Support Tibet, (Water sanity & justice is inseparable from 'ethno-cultural'/human sanity & justice)> > > > >It is understandable in the US of A ( please do not take it as a > >>dig... i have no intention of doing that) of >George W Bush,> > > > > > *** Not at all Uttam. There is truth to it. Bush-Cheney have taken us > > into a war under false pretenses.> > > > But the difference here is that once the American people have figured > > that out, they are not taking it lying down or turning a blind eye to > > it, like Indian intelligentsia has been. How Bush/Cheney would love > > to rule over a population like India's with desi-demokrasy as a foil!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 4:37 PM +0000 3/26/08, uttam borthakur wrote:> >>Is not it strange Chandan Da that in the lands of Buddha, Ashoka ( > >>who took up Buddhism to consolidate his empire), Confucius, Lao Tze > >>et al, there is dearth of dialogues? It is understandable in the US > >>of A ( please do not take it as a dig... i have no intention of > >>doing that) of George W Bush, but it is really strange in India and > >>China. They are supposed to have some traditions to build upon. I > >>believe they have abandoned their traditions and is now totally > >>globalised (read americanised).> >>> >>Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote: If there is merit to the > >>ancient adage that ' Charity begins at> >>home', then may I suggest we start a similar, but even more vigorous> >>campaign to force Indian Govt. to start a SINCERE negotiating> >>process in Assam with the ULFA for example?> >>> >>If we can be so caring about Tibetan freedom aspirations, why can't> >>we for those who are even closer to us,in Nagaland, in Assam , in> >>Kashmir?> >>> >>Somehow Avaaz's zeal seems to be driven less by concerns about human> >>rights of Tibetans than a thinly veiled need to beat up on the> >>Chinese on grounds of Indian nationalism, as could be easily surmised> >>from its similar campaign during the Burmese crackdown on its> >>protesters while remaining mute witnesses to India's own suppression> >>, often brutal, in Kashmir and in its NE holdings, unable to utter a> >>word defending the human rights of those who are far closer to home.> >>> >>Had to say it like it is!> >>> >>If only our intelligentsia could have risen to it, India's own> >>problems could have been resolved long ago. Now it holds the world's> >>record on the longest running low-intensity warfares within its own> >>holdings, while singing praises of non-violent resolution of such> >>conflicts thru dialogs.> >>> >>cm> >>> >>( I am an ethnic Assamese)> >>> >>> >>> >>PS: I am ALL for Tibetan freedom as well as for Taiwan. Always have> >>been, always will be.> >>But I can't stand the hypocrisy that goes around in broad daylight.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>At 5:44 AM -0700 3/26/08, bharat mansata wrote:> >>>Subject: Tibet - support the Dalai Lama> >>>Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:21:22 +0530> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi,> >>>> >>>I just signed an urgent petition calling on the Chinese government> >>>to respect human rights in Tibet and dialogue with the Dalai Lama.> >>>This is really important, and I thought you might want to take> >>>action:> >>>> >>>http://www.avaaz.org/en/tibet_end_the_violence/98.php/?CLICK_TF_TRACK> >>>> >>>After nearly 50 years of Chinese rule, the Tibetans are sending out> >>>a global cry for change. 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