Alpana B. Sarangapani
absarangapani at hotmail.com
Thu Feb 5 22:12:41 IST 2009
I did not find anything offensive at all in your mail.
But in the process now I am seeing that I might have offended some with the quoted words that I used...well, that's why they were quoted to let people know that those are the words that have special meanings to some.
Anyway, in case it helps........ I used those words as here in the US when I go into buffet lines with servers serving, I get to see some frowned faces when I say I don't want the tender and delicious beef, pork or chicken pieces, but the beans (hate those beans floating on salt water with such a bland taste!).
But this happens only sometimes nowadays, as there are some people (who have not seen, heard of or met the people outside their own community) who can not imagine that there are people who can survive without meat.
More and more people know (and "approve") or at least heard of Vegetarians now, especially the "New Age" community are very much aware of us Vegetarians now. Some think and assume as a person of Indian origin, I was born a vegetarian. I guess I will be considered a 'born-again' vegetarian.
Then again, who cares what one is called - it's a free world. But the discussion was not to pick on anyone, was merely a discussion :). And I very much agree that:
> It is Good Food Not Fine Words that keep me alive & that too always> > being a Veg... (fresh ingedients preferably)
> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:48:56 +0530> From: hazarikarraj at gmail.com> To: assam at assamnet.org> Subject: Re: [Assam] "Non-Veg"> > Respected Netizens> I am glad to be asssociated with this mailing list i am a regular> viewer even thou i dont revert most of the time. But today i have> something to express ,when it come to food Topics i just have to say;> It is Good Food Not Fine Words that keep me alive & that too always> being a Veg... (fresh ingedients preferably)> > > Plz read this letter as a error & ommision exempt Basis its absolutly> with no intention to dishonour any individuals like or dislikes.> > Regards Raj> > On 2/5/09, Alpana B. Sarangapani <absarangapani at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> >> such as 'bhori-pithaan'. WE had no idea what the etymology of the> > Some of my relatives used (and they still do) to say 'kun phale thom,> > muror-pothan-ot ne bhorir-pothan-ot thom'? :)> >> > I guess 'muror-xitaan' came from 'xirxho-sthaan', so only 'xi(rxho)taan'> > would do the job, and 'muror xitaan' is redundant, as Uttam mentioned.> >> > In other countries (other than India), "non-veg" are the "regular" and> > "normal" people (majority), so they do not need a special noun to describe> > them, I guess, and carnivore would be too primitive to be used to describe a> > human being(?). But in India, about half of the population, may be, are> > vegetarians, so the 'non-veg' ones are the 'other' kind of people.> >> > I was not familiar with the term 'vegan' in India. My paternal grandmother> > who was a widow from the time that I knew her, did not eat meat, fish, egg,> > piyaj, or Masur-daail, was a 'pure-vegetarian' to us, but took all milk> > products. My father-in-law (and mother-in-law too) was a strict vegetarian> > (did not even take egg-plant (bengena) as it looks like fish when fried),> > but did take and was very fond of milk products, yogurt (doi) especially.> >> >> > > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:14:52 -0600> To: assam at assamnet.org> From:> > cmahanta at charter.net> Subject: Re: [Assam] "Non-Veg"> > Good explanation> > Uttam. Prof. Goswami is a wise man and a true scholar.> > BTW, back in> > Upper-Assam, we all grew up saying 'muror-xitaan' and > 'bhorir pothaan'. In> > fact these were further degenerated to forms > such as 'bhori-pithaan'. WE> > had no idea what the etymology of the > words/phrases were. However they> > were well understood by everyone > ands thus effective as means of> > communication.> > It wouldn't be so, if we arbitrarily change the meaning of> > a word or > a phrase to suit a particular need, as in "Indian secularism".>> >> > > > > > > > > > > At 8:22 PM +0530 2/4/09, uttam borthakur wrote:> >JS:>> >>> >This is an interesting question.> >> >Vegetarian used as a noun should> > mean one who does not take any food > >other than vegetables or derived out> > of vegetables. I do not know > >whether 'rice' is a vegetable or not. This> > definition would rule out > >dairy products as well.> >> >I think vegetarian> > used as a noun would exclude those people, who > >eat flesh or egg. As an> > adjective, as in vegetarian food, it would > >qualify those food that are> > not flesh or egg.> >> >So you see, the term would convey a meaning in> > general (in popular > >parlance) and the de-construction part may be that of> > the person who > >takes cognisance.> >> >I found that on-line Merriam> > Webster dictionary has an entry for > >this word under the prefix NON. Also,> > there are numerous sites > >referring to the term non-vegetarian. So, it is> > in use; and whether > >or not used in a particular community it is a part of> > the vocabulary > >of a considerable size of English speaking and English> > reading > >population of the world.> >> >I do not know whether you are> > acquainted with the name of Professor > >Golok Chandra Goswami. He's an> > expert of the Oxomiya language. Now > >there was a controversy between us> > friends as to whether there can > >be terms like "BHORIR POTHAN" and "MUROR> > XITHAN". Because, PADA + > >STHAN( legs + place) are fused (xomaxbaddha> > roop) into POTHAN. So, > >some people suggested that use of the word BHORIR> > before POTHAN > >would be an absurdity! When the debate raged, I had chanced> > upon > >this illustrious professor and placed the question for his >> >>arbitration, because, such terms were used by Late Mitra Dev Mahanta > >in> > "Mou-Mahabharat" at PRASTUTI PARBA.> >> >The good professor with great> > patience explained to me that there > >are certain thing in a language> > called STREAM-ROLLER of ANALOGY. So, > >both BHORIR POTHAN and MUROR XITHAN> > are correct though they are > >apparent inexactitude.He said that it needs> > broader mindset to > >enrich language and culture!> >Uttam Kumar Borthakur>> >>> >> >> >> >________________________________> >From: Jyotirmoy Sharma> > <jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in> > Assam from around the > >world <assam at assamnet.org>> >Sent: Wednesday, 4> > February, 2009 7:05:44 PM> >Subject: [Assam] "Non-Veg"> >> >Sorry ..not an> > adult joke :-)> >Does anyone know if the word "non-veg" is used anywhere> > outside India ?> >I think it is actually a wrong use of the English language> > to describe> >people who eat both vegetarian and meat products. I am not> > aware of any word> >that describes people who fall in this category. I only> > hear the word from> >Indians and Indian restaurants.> >Just curious.> >JS>> >>_______________________________________________> >assam mailing list>> >>assam at assamnet.org>> >>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> >> >> >> >> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on >> >>http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/>> >>_______________________________________________> >assam mailing list>> >>assam at assamnet.org>> >>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> > >> > _______________________________________________> assam mailing list>> > assam at assamnet.org> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> > _________________________________________________________________> > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. 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