[Assam] Indian Bangladeshi
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at gmail.com
Tue Aug 3 21:06:58 IST 2010
>Not my words, but your interpretation. And you may be right.
>
>
**** Would you therefore agree Ram, that those who do recognize other's humanity,
ought not to deny it to the poor, the unfortunate, the disenfranchised or the destitute
with words, phrases, labels and 'gaalis' and attempt to deal with the problem humanely, even
if they don't have the power to do anything more than merely point out the issues and participate
in the dialog in a manner that behooves the fair and the enlightened?
For if they don't, who will?
I am sure you agree with the lyrics: " Manuhe' manuhor baabe'-----bhaabibo kwnenw kwa".
On Aug 3, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> C'da,
>
> It's the way it is (right or wrong).
>
> Look at the immigration policies in the US. Europeans, Aussies, and Kiwis
> and others are usually given VOA (visas on arrival) just like American
> nationals are given in Europe, Australia & NZ.
>
> But do you think whether the US or these other countries will afford the
> same treatment to say to say Pakistan, B'desh, India, or other countries in
> Asia, Latin America, S. America or Africa?
>
>> *** In other words , those who find it necessary to de-humanize 'illegals',
> have the freedom
>> to choose, depending on their fears, bigotries or other self-created
> standards, whom to
>> pick on and whom to give a pass, thus avoiding the problem of labeled a
> hypocrite, right Ram :-)?
>
> Not my words, but your interpretation. And you may be right.
>
> Will be back a bit later.
>
> --Ram
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> That tolerance level will of course be different for different countries,
>>>
>>> and for type of immigrants that want to come in.
>>
>>
>> *** In other words , those who find it necessary to de-humanize 'illegals',
>> have the freedom
>> to choose, depending on their fears, bigotries or other self-created
>> standards, whom to
>> pick on and whom to give a pass, thus avoiding the problem of labeled a
>> hypocrite, right Ram :-)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>
>>>> The truth is, Uttam, that most countries have some acceptable levels of
>>> such
>>>> illegal migration.
>>>
>>>
>>>> **** Really Ram? What is it?
>>>
>>> Most countries accept a certain level of illegal entrants (even if they
>> are
>>> very strict) - you could call it a leakage which is "expected" and does
>> not
>>> mean that it is "Desired" or even "encouraged".
>>>
>>> That tolerance level will of course be different for different countries,
>>> and for type of immigrants that want to come in.
>>>
>>> But when when there is flood of illegal entrants, or if it seems that a
>>> system is being abused to no end (like the illegal Indians in Malaysia),
>>> countries do become alert.
>>>
>>> That's all it means C'da - nothing else.
>>>
>>> But, the point of Uttam forwarding the srticle (the 'root cause' if you
>>> will), is something like **just don't keep beating on them 'B'deshis,
>>> Indians also do it....** or something like that.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The truth is, Uttam, that most countries have some acceptable levels of
>>>> such
>>>>> illegal migration.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **** Really Ram? What is it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Malaysia revoked its visa on arrival (VOA) facility for Indians after
>>>>> 40,000 visitors from that country 'abused' it and 'disappeared', Deputy
>>>>> Prime >Minister Muhyideein Yassin has said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indians often are visitors who disappear. This is probably the reason,
>>>> most
>>>>> countries don't give this VOA facilities to South Asians.
>>>>>
>>>>> But your terming this as "Indian Bangladesi" is certainly seems to be
>> an
>>>>> attempt to water down the illegal Bangladeshi problem in Assam and
>> other
>>>>> parts of India.
>>>>>
>>>>> The illegal Bangladeshi problem in Assam is in millions, as opposed to
>>>>> thousands (in Malaysia), and it has been going on for a long time).
>>>>>
>>>>> You might be interested in knowing Malaysians ALSO disappear upon
>>>> arrival
>>>>> in other countries.
>>>>> Here is a link:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://sanooaung.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/ew-hundred-thousands-of-malaysians-are-overstaying-and-illegally-working-around-the-world/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The truth is, Uttam, that most countries have some acceptable levels of
>>>> such
>>>>> illegal migration. But the problem becomes very serious, in situations
>>>> such
>>>>> as the Bangladeshi 'invasion' in Assam :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:44 AM, uttam borthakur
>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tue, Aug 3 11:35 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kuala Lumpur, Aug 3 (IANS) Malaysia revoked its visa on arrival (VOA)
>>>>>> facility for Indians after 40,000 visitors from that country 'abused'
>> it
>>>> and
>>>>>> 'disappeared', Deputy Prime Minister Muhyideein Yassin has said.
>>>>>> The cases of Indians abusing the scheme topped the list of
>> unauthorised
>>>>>> immigrants from eight South Asian nations and China to whom the VOA
>> was
>>>>>> offered.
>>>>>> The facility has now been 'scrapped permanently', The Star newspaper
>>>>>> reported Tuesday quoting the deputy prime minister.
>>>>>> The Cabinet Committee on Foreign Workers and Illegal Immigrants felt
>>>> that
>>>>>> it needed to be revoked as it brought certain problems for the
>> country.
>>>>>> 'In the past, we gave flexibility to several nations. If their
>> citizens
>>>>>> came to this country and they didn't have a visa, one could be issued
>> at
>>>> the
>>>>>> entry point.
>>>>>> 'We have noticed that this was being abused. We (the Cabinet
>> committee)
>>>>>> agreed that the VOA facility be revoked or discontinued,' he said
>> after
>>>>>> chairing the committee meeting here Monday.
>>>>>> Apart from Indians, the facility was extended to tourists from China,
>>>>>> Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Myan-mar, Taiwan and Comoros.
>>>>>> It has been reported that thousands of tourists have abused their VOA,
>>>>>> which was introduced in 2006 in conjunction with Visit Malay-sia Year
>>>> 2007,
>>>>>> by overstaying.
>>>>>> In February, the government suspended the facility for visitors from
>>>> India
>>>>>> following reports that the highest number of VOA abuse involved
>> citizens
>>>>>> from that country.
>>>>>> Last January, prior to his India visit, Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak
>>>> had
>>>>>> also expressed concern over the 'disappearance' of almost 40,000
>> Indians
>>>> who
>>>>>> had entered the country through the VOA.
>>>>>> Multi-ethnic Malaysia is home to 1.7 million ethnic Indians. Many have
>>>>>> problems registering themselves as voters. They are denied the Mykad,
>>>> the
>>>>>> national identity card.
>>>>>> In a related development, Election Commission deputy chairman Wan
>> Ahmad
>>>> Wan
>>>>>> Omar said online registration was 'risky, costly and unnecessary'.
>>>>>> 'It is not easy to set up online registration because there will be
>> many
>>>>>> loopholes for people to cheat and it's difficult to check who is
>>>> registering
>>>>>> for whom,' he said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /*YAHOO.EU.Messenger = new Messenger();
>>>>>> var sStoryHeadline="40,000 Indians %26#39;disappear%26#39; in
>> Malaysia,
>>>>>> visa on arrival scrapped"+'%0A';
>>>>>> var sStoryLink="
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100803/876/twl-40-000-indians-disappear-in-malaysia.html
>>>>>> "+'%0A';
>>>>>> var sDefaultMsg = "Check out this story on Yahoo! News:"+'%0A';
>>>>>> if (document.all) { sStoryHeadline = escape(sStoryHeadline); }
>>>>>> */
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>
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