[Assam] The autonomy issue

Sat Aug 14 00:05:40 IST 2010

Let's take the ' bottom line to the logical conclusion.
We will have Dekaland,Kalitaland,Bodoland,Rabhaland,Tiwaland,Dimasaland,Misingland,Islamistan---ad
infinitum.
Now,we have created another 'bottom line'---WHERE WILL 'ULFALAND' FIT
IN THEIR MIDST.
CONFUSION WORSE CONFOUNDED!!!
KJD

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
> The  bottom line is:
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>>DO WE REALLY NEED ANY OTHER DEFINITION OF AUTONOMY? A  PERFECT EXAMPLE
>>OF A COUNTRY WITHIN A COUNTRY!!!!
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> *** The 'country' does not exist. It is a figment of idle imaginations.  If it did, it wouldn't be in the shambles it is.
> So the question of a country within a country does not arise.
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> *** The second thing is that who are we to dictate what the Nagas want or what the Kashmiris want or what Bodos want.
> Only the incurably pretentious would want to tell them what they should be happy with.
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> On Aug 12, 2010, at 7:24 PM, kamal deka wrote:
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>> Take a look at the' Naga- Indian' imbroglio.Article 371A ( the
>> Constitution was amended to accommodate that) provides various
>> safeguards for Nagaland.These include a provision whereby no Act of
>> Parliament in respect of the religious or social practices of
>> Nagas,Naga customary law and procedure,administration of civil and
>> criminal justice involving decisions according to Naga customary law
>> and ownership and transfer of land shall apply to the state.IS THERE
>> ANY REASON,AFTER  PROCURING ALL OF THE ABOVE( READ AUTONOMY),WHY NAGA
>> IDENTITY OR CULTURE OR OTHER NAGA INTERESTS SHOULD BE INJURED OR
>> ERODED ?
>> And yet,NSCN proclaimed its motto to be "NAGALAND FOR CHRIST".The NSCN
>> manifesto exclaims that Nagas are " DIFFERENT FROM OTHER INDIANS
>> BECAUSE THEY ARE CHRISTIANS and they could lose their identity " in an
>> ocean of Hindus and other non-christians in India,completely
>> sidestepping the fact that India is a  secular state in which freedom
>> of worship is guaranteed by the Constitution.An valid arguement can be
>> made by citing the fact that for every Christian in Nagaland,there are
>> almost 20 elsewhere in the country.The MAR THOMAS CHURCH OF KERALA IS
>> ONE OF THE VERY OLDEST ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND IT HAS FLOURISHED FOR
>> 1940 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE TOLERANCE AND RESPECT SHOWN BY THE PEOPLE
>> BELONGING TO OTHER FAITHS.AND IF ASSURANCE WERE NEEDED,THIS IS TO BE
>> FOUND IN THE INCREASE IN NAGALAND'S OWN CHRISTIAN POPULATION SINCE
>> 1947.
>>
>> Now take a look at the custom-made Article 370 which mandates that
>> the applicability of every law of the Indian Parliament to J&K
>> requires i. consultation with the J&K government if the subject matter
>> of the law pertains to defence or external affairs or communications,
>> and ii. concurrence of the J&K government if the law pertains to
>> subjects other than defence or external affairs or communications. No
>> other state in India has such privilege. That is why the Indian Penal
>> Code, the Prevention of Corruption Act and rules framed for the
>> Central Bureau of Investigation are among the several Parliamentary
>> enactments which are simply not in vogue in J&K.
>>
>> As bad as that, if not worse, is the fact that many provisions of the
>> Constitution of India are either i. simply not applicable to J&K state
>> or ii. are applicable to J&K only in a modified form or iii. subsumed
>> by the provisions of the J&K constitution.
>>
>> Further, as in the case a Parliamentary law, application to J&K of a
>> provision of the Indian Constitution requires consultation/consent of
>> the J&K government depending upon the subject of the constitutional
>> provision. Again, no other state in India has such a privilege of
>> saying 'Yes' or 'No' to a constitutional measure.
>>
>> J&K is the only state in India --
>> Where a distinction has been permitted to be made between state
>> citizens (designated as 'permanent residents') and other Indian
>> citizens (who are not 'permanent residents') and where -- contrary to
>> the principles of equality before the law (Article 14), prohibition of
>> discrimination on the ground of place of birth (Article 15) and
>> equality of opportunity in public employment (Article 16), -- laws are
>> permissible to confer special rights and privileges on 'permanent
>> residents' with respect to employment under the state government,
>> acquisition of immovable property in the state, settlement in the
>> state and right to scholarships as well as other state government aid
>>
>> Ø      whose area, boundaries and name cannot be altered without the
>> consent of the state government
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>> Ø      whose legislative assembly has a tenure of six years
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>> Ø      where no amendment of the Indian constitution shall have effect
>> without consulting/securing concurrence of the state government even
>> in regard to disposition of the state through a treaty with another
>> country
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>> Ø      whose government's request or concurrence is needed for Delhi
>> to declare emergency for reasons only of internal disturbance in the
>> state (Article 352)
>>
>> Ø      where emergency declared under Article 356 can become
>> applicable without suspending the machinery of the state constitution
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>> Ø      where fiscal emergency cannot be declared (Article 360)
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>> Ø      where provisions for the Anglo-Indian community and minorities
>> do not apply.
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>> DO WE REALLY NEED ANY OTHER DEFINITION OF AUTONOMY? A  PERFECT EXAMPLE
>> OF A COUNTRY WITHIN A COUNTRY!!!!
>>
>> KJD
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>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The PM recently made a remark about being open to discussing the issue of
>>> autonomy for Jammu & Kashmir (within the ambit of the Constitution).
>>>
>>> Maybe someone knows, but what exactly is the meaning of 'autonomy' as held
>>> by the PM? By the time politicos & spin masters get through with it,
>>> the meaning of autonomy will look nothing like what the dictionary says.
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>>>
>>> This from the TOI
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>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-Manmohans-autonomy-remark-wont-help-solve-Kashmir-problem-Pak/articleshow/6299668.cms
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