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Sun Aug 15 00:59:37 IST 2010
Whether one likes the idea of the mosque, or the place or the timing is
irrelevant to the legal aspects.
The facts are, that this is a private property, the mosque people applied
and got all the permits from the local authorities.
The mosque idea is definitely insensitive (kind of in your face thing), I
agree, given the time, place, and time.
But the Constitution is more important. That is why the KKK gets its right
to march and spew venom, and that is why
we are allowed to build places of worship of choice.
The 'shouting fire in a theater' is a great example. That is probably what
opponents will have to try out in court - claiming sentiments were hurt etc.
But like the KKK example, in spite of hurting sentiments, the KKK has always
won the right to carry out a procession, and and yell hatred.
In a court of law, I think, the mosque people will prevail.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:59 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote:
> And the opening date is slated for Sept. 11, 2011, the 10th
> anniversary of the day a hole was punched in that city. Mosque is a
> fine idea -- someplace else. Why there?
> If the Japanese decided to open a cultural center across from Pearl
> Harbor, that would be insensitive.
> True,'rights' are guaranteed by the Constitution but they are not
> unrestrained.For example,in the matter of freedom of speech,a person
> simply cannot step into a packed movie hall and scream " Fire",which
> will be violation of the same freedom,he is entitled to.
> My objection is --why near ground zero only.
> Read more:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
> > The President did the right thing. The Constitution guarantees the rights
> > build a place of worship on private land - whatever the religion.
> > On a practical/political level, may be the President could have kept to
> > sidelines. I would have been disappointed if he had not sided with the
> > mosque building.
> > --Ram
> > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka <
> dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >> This and other actions of president Obama will cost him the 2012
> >> but
> >> he spoke from his heart and from his training as a constitutional
> >> Now
> >> that the backers of the mosque have got recognition, the proper thing
> >> them
> >> would be to give up the fight for the spot near ground zero if they want
> >> see
> >> Obama reelected in 2012.
> >> The average American is not ready for the kind of vision that Obama has
> >> I
> >> can predict you will not hear the end of political discussions on this
> >> the
> >> next few weeks.
> >> My support to Obama on this does not mean I endorse him for 2012 - this
> >> senator Deka speaking from Texas. :-)
> >> Obama backs mosque near ground zero
> >> * * AP – ** RETRANSMISSION TO CORRECT DATE OF ATTACK **
> >> President Barack
> >> Obama hosts an iftar dinner, the meal …
> >> By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer Erica Werner, Associated Press
> >> Writer –
> >> 50 mins ago
> >> WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed
> >> a
> >> mosque near ground zero, saying the country's founding principles
> >> no
> >> less.
> >> "As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same
> >> to
> >> practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama said,
> >> weighing
> >> in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York City and
> >> nation.
> >> "That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community
> >> on
> >> private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and
> >> ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious
> >> freedom
> >> must be unshakable."
> >> Obama made the comments at an annual dinner in the White House State
> >> Room
> >> celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
> >> The White House had not previously taken a stand on the mosque, which
> >> be
> >> part of a $100 million Islamic center two blocks from where nearly 3,000
> >> people
> >> perished when hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center
> >> on
> >> Sept. 11, 2001. Press secretary Robert Gibbs had insisted it was a local
> >> matter.
> >> It was already much more than that, sparking debate around the country
> >> top
> >> Republicans including Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich announced their
> >> opposition.
> >> So did the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights group.
> >> Obama elevated it to a presidential issue Friday without equivocation.
> >> While insisting that the place where the twin towers once stood was
> >> "hallowed ground," Obama said that the proper way to honor it was to
> >> American values.
> >> "Our capacity to sho not merely tolerance, but respect towards those who
> >> are
> >> different from us — and that way of life, that quintessentially American
> >> creed,
> >> stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on
> >> September morning, and who continue to plot against us today," he said.
> >> Obama harkened back to earlier times when the building of synagogues or
> >> Catholic
> >> churches also met with opposition. "But time and again, the American
> >> have
> >> demonstrated that we can work through these issues, and stay true to our
> >> core
> >> values and emerge stronger for it," he said. "So it must be and will be
> >> today."
> >> New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an independent who has been a
> >> supporter of the mosque, welcomed Obama's words as a "clarion defense of
> >> the
> >> freedom of religion."
> >> But some Republicans were quick to pounce.
> >> "President Obama is wrong," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "It is
> >> and
> >> uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of
> >> zero. While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they
> >> abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have
> >> so
> >> much."
> >> Entering the highly charged election-year debate, Obama surely knew that
> >> his
> >> words would not only make headlines but be heard by Muslims worldwide.
> >> president has made it a point to reach out to the global Muslim
> >> and
> >> the over 100 guests at Friday's dinner included ambassadors and
> >> from
> >> numerous Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. Seated
> >> around
> >> candlelit tables, they listened closely as Obama spoke, then stood and
> >> applauded
> >> when the president finished his remarks.
> >> While his pronouncement concerning the mosque might find favor in the
> >> Muslim
> >> world, Obama's stance runs counter to the opinions of the majority of
> >> Americans,
> >> according to polls. A CNN/Opinion Research poll released this week found
> >> that
> >> nearly 70 percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29
> >> percent
> >> approved. A number of Democratic politicians have shied away from the
> >> controversy.
> >> The group behind the $100 million project, the Cordoba Initiative,
> >> describes it
> >> as a Muslim-themed community center. Early plans call not only for
> >> space
> >> but for a swimming pool, culinary school, art studios and other
> >> Developers envision it as a hub for interfaith interaction, as well as a
> >> place
> >> for Muslims to bridge some of their faith's own schisms.
> >> Opponents, including some Sept. 11 victims' relatives, see the prospect
> >> a
> >> mosque so near the destroyed trade center as an insult to the memory of
> >> those
> >> killed by Islamic terrorists in the 2001 attacks. Some of the Sept. 11
> >> victims'
> >> relatives, however, are in favor.
> >> The mosque has won approval from local planning boards but faces legal
> >> challenges, and New York's Conservative Party is planning a television
> >> campaign to pressure a New York City utility to use its power to block
> >> project.
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